Iran's Air Force Industry and a new generation of Fighter Aircrafts

StobieWan

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You all missed the point.
And what, in your opinion, is the point?


You might want to read the forum rules regarding one liners and irrelevant replies as this rather borders on those rules - without a more substantial reply, it's hard to maintain a discussion.

Please, expand on your point.
 

BDRebel

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Iran has a history of greatly exaggerating their weapons development capabilities- see some of the other forums (new tanks etc). One needs to take a large grain of salt with any Iranian claims of new technological breakthroughs.
Speaking of bluffing and exaggerating, read this detailed analysis by David Cenciotti of the Iranian "stealth" fighter.
 

BDRebel

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The article is mostly garbage of course. But Iranian aerospace industry is impressive when one puts it into perspective. Iran is an pretty poor third world country. The fact that they are even able to design their own aircraft is already impressive.
I disagree. Iran, though a third world country, is oil rich. The people may be poor but the government is rich. How else can they fund a nuclear program and a broad defence industry. Iran ranks 21st by GDP with around 550,000 million US dollars worldwide. It isn't a poor country, its a despotism.
 

kato

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Iran ranks 21st by GDP with around 550,000 million US dollars worldwide.
For per Capita PPP GDP they're 78th though, mostly owing to the fact that their work force only consists of 25% of their population. They're at almost exactly average worldwide regarding this.

However, that still puts them in line with Brazil. Which sustains its own defense industry at a similar level without despotism. And also used to have a nuclear program.
 

swerve

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According to the latest (2011) round of the World Bank (with the co-operation of the OECD, EU, UN, & a very large number of national governments) International Comparison Programme, the PPP GDP & GDP per capita of Iran in 2011 were -

GDP: 1314 billion USD. (576 bn at exchange rates)
PC: 17488 USD (7669 at exchange rates)

World PPP GDP PC was 13460 USD, which was marginally less than that of Brazil (14639). Total PPP GDP of Brazil was over twice as much as Iran's, at 2816 bn USD: 7th in the world, after the USA, China, India, Japan, Germany & Russia.

The initial report was published by the World Bank exactly a month ago. Can be downloaded free from its website.
 
I remember that the Qaher-313 jet fighter which Iranian defense ministry officials described as stealthy when it unveiled in (probable) mock-up form was dismissed by many military analysts as a hoax due to the cockpit of the displayed aircraft being too small to comfortably accommodate a pilot, but in April 2017 the Qaher-313 underwent taxi tests, and photos of it during ground tests at least confirmed suspicions by many analysts that the Qaher-313 displayed in February 2013 was a mock-up rather than a flying example.

Last year, the Iran Aviation Industries Organization mentioned plans to use the Qaher-313 as an unmanned combat aircraft, with deliveries to military units planned for mid-2024.

 

Ananda

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Been quite some time since anything solid come out from Iranian Aero Industry outside Drones and missiles. However this Simorgh transport airplane seems in right track to be mass produce.

Coming from Iranian Ukrainian project before that use AN-140 design as base, this is in right size replacing AN-24/26 class.
 

John Fedup

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Been quite some time since anything solid come out from Iranian Aero Industry outside Drones and missiles. However this Simorgh transport airplane seems in right track to be mass produce.

Coming from Iranian Ukrainian project before that use AN-140 design as base, this is in right size replacing AN-24/26 class.
What is the engine source?
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Been quite some time since anything solid come out from Iranian Aero Industry outside Drones and missiles. However this Simorgh transport airplane seems in right track to be mass produce.

Coming from Iranian Ukrainian project before that use AN-140 design as base, this is in right size replacing AN-24/26 class.
Only a small amount of the Antonov An-140 has been built, but many are involved in accidents, including four hull-loss accidents, resulting in more than 100 fatalities. Of the aircraft lost, three were HESA IrAn-140 aircraft built in Iran from knock-down kits supplied by Antonov, and production of this failure is ended. So i hope for them this 'indigenous Iranian designed' aircraft isn't just a reverse engineered copy.
 

Ananda

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What is the engine source?
The IrAN-140 used Ukrainian engine, but seems for this Simorgh project they use Klimov TV3-117. At least that's what I see from Iran media. Some Iranian source claim they made it domestically under Russian license. Either way, this is the engine they already familiar with.


So i hope for them this 'indigenous Iranian designed' aircraft isn't just a reverse engineered copy.
They don't have many choice, I'm sure they have to build this Simorgh prototype from IrAn-140 project and reverse engineer some of the design. Whether they are succesfull enough to smooth out all previous problem in the design, remain to be seen.

However if it is good enough, they in my opinion going to move forward toward mass production. They need transport aircraft soon enough.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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The IrAN-140 used Ukrainian engine, but seems for this Simorgh project they use Klimov TV3-117. At least that's what I see from Iran media. Some Iranian source claim they made it domestically under Russian license. Either way, this is the engine they already familiar with.




They don't have many choice, I'm sure they have to build this Simorgh prototype from IrAn-140 project and reverse engineer some of the design. Whether they are succesfull enough to smooth out all previous problem in the design, remain to be seen.

However if it is good enough, they in my opinion going to move forward toward mass production. They need transport aircraft soon enough.
Yes they do not have much choice, and the development of the Il-112/212 also doesn't go smooth.
Who knows, if this Smirogh becomes a reliable aircraft, the Iranians can start to even export it. An Iranian aircraft with Russian engines is maybe also attractive for Russia and other An-24/26 and Fokker F27 users.
 
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