Iranian naval news.

[Sandhi Yudha]

There wasn't yet a thread for the Iranian Navy and other naval news of this amazing country.
So lets start the discussion here!

Seems that the new low-observable stealth missile catamaran-corvette is not for the navy, but the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Naval Force.

Mysterious Ship In Iranian Shipyard Is Likely IRGC's New Flagship - Naval News

We believe that Iran's IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard) will unveil a new ship soon. The 64m (210 ft) long catamaran is believed to be a low-observable missile corvette. It is much larger and heavier armed than the IRIS Shahid Nazeri, a related ship already in IRGC service.

www.navalnews.com

|"From 1400 (Persian calender), we will start the project of building light and semi-heavy submarines for the navy of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and this force will have submarines in the next few years,”|

So they will also get their own submarines the coming years.

IRGC to operate ‘semi-heavy' submarines

Iran plans to build submarines for the Islamic Revolution Guards Corp (IRGC), according to Rear Admiral Amir Rastegari, the head of the Ministry of Defence and Armed...

www.janes.com

 

[spoz]

I think “low observable” might be a bit of a stretch; by the look of it, it will make a pretty good radar target, particularly for airborne radar. Interesting what the operational concept might be, if there is one.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

I think “low observable” might be a bit of a stretch; by the look of it, it will make a pretty good radar target, particularly for airborne radar. Interesting what the operational concept might be, if there is one.

I am sure this catamaran-corvet will be as stealth as their 6th generation stealth Qaher-313 STOL-fighters!

 

[DDG38]

There wasn't yet a thread for the Iranian Navy and other naval news of this amazing country.
So lets start the discussion here!

Seems that the new low-observable stealth missile catamaran-corvette is not for the navy, but the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Naval Force.

Mysterious Ship In Iranian Shipyard Is Likely IRGC's New Flagship - Naval News

We believe that Iran's IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard) will unveil a new ship soon. The 64m (210 ft) long catamaran is believed to be a low-observable missile corvette. It is much larger and heavier armed than the IRIS Shahid Nazeri, a related ship already in IRGC service.

www.navalnews.com

|"From 1400 (Persian calender), we will start the project of building light and semi-heavy submarines for the navy of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and this force will have submarines in the next few years,”|

So they will also get their own submarines the coming years.

IRGC to operate ‘semi-heavy' submarines

Iran plans to build submarines for the Islamic Revolution Guards Corp (IRGC), according to Rear Admiral Amir Rastegari, the head of the Ministry of Defence and Armed...

www.janes.com

Having seen the IRGCN up close operating in the northern Arabian gulf the last thing they should have is larger and sub surface platforms. They're cowboys running under their own ROE.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

The Iranian Navy commissions a new frigate and minesweeper.

The new frigate, Dena 75, is the fourth vessel of the Mowj-class, which is based on the Alvand class.

The Mehrab SAM is an improved version of the Sayyad-2, and it seems that the Sayyad-2 is a canister-launched, reverse engineered version of the RIM-66 Standard Missile (SM-1).

The anti-ship missiles on board this new frigate is a reverse engineered version of the Chinese C-802 anti-ship missile, which is in turn based on a modified illegal copy of the MM38 Exocet.

Also the Fajr-27 main gun is an illegal copy of a foreign design; the famous Oto Melara 76 mm.

Iranian Navy Commissions A New Minesweeper And A Light Frigate - Naval News

The light frigate Dena (hull number 75) and minesweeper Shahin (hull number M111) were commissioned at a ceremony at the main Iranian naval base in Bandar Abbas port, located in the Strait of Hormuz.

www.navalnews.com

Iran commissions frigate, minesweeper

Iran's Ministry of Defence and Armed Forces Logistics handed over the fourth locally built frigate to the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN) at its Bandar Abbas base...

www.janes.com

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

I think this is the first time that the frigate Sahand and former oil-tanker-turned mulitpurpose mothership Makran pass the channel between Dover and Calais.

Iranian warships in English Channel

The Iranian warships are heading to St. Petersburg via the English Channel to participate in a naval parade hosted by Russia.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

 

[FormerDirtDart]

I think this is the first time that the frigate Sahand and former oil-tanker-turned mulitpurpose mothership Makran pass the channel between Dover and Calais.

Iranian warships in English Channel

The Iranian warships are heading to St. Petersburg via the English Channel to participate in a naval parade hosted by Russia.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

OK, I'm not a mariner, but to me this seems like a highly unusual route to Venezuela
(yes, that was sarcasm)
It will be interesting to see where they head next. I'd but down a few dollars betting they'll head to the Pacific via Russian waters. Eventually finding their way how. A rather epic voyage for the Iranian Navy.

 

[ngatimozart]

OK, I'm not a mariner, but to me this seems like a highly unusual route to Venezuela
(yes, that was sarcasm)
It will be interesting to see where they head next. I'd but down a few dollars betting they'll head to the Pacific via Russian waters. Eventually finding their way how. A rather epic voyage for the Iranian Navy.

They would have had an interesting time transiting around the Cape of Good Hope this time of the year. Nice big seas and ice cold winds.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

A new photo of the mysterious Shahid Soleimani class of stealth 'frigates' has appeared on the internet. With a size of only 65 meter long, its more wide patrolboat or a light corvette. It seems to be that speedboats can be launched from the backside of the hull for special operations.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455867549489446913

Iranian Navy's Shahid Soleimani class frigate reportedly begins sea tr

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Some more info and images.

H I Sutton - Covert Shores

www.hisutton.com

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Three new military vessels joined the fleet of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Navy on Monday 5 September, including this super hightech advanced stealthy warship equipped with air defense missiles with a vertical launching system.

|"Highlighting the IRGC Navy’s superiority over the enemies, the IRGC commander said a range of weapons, including advanced missiles, highly stable vessels and various sea-based equipment, coupled with true faith of the servicemen, have made the IRGC Navy an invincible force."|

Iranian IRGC Navy gets new warships including Martyr Soleimani warship

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[Ananda]

H I Sutton - Covert Shores

www.hisutton.com

H.I Sutton put on his page what seems to be Iranian Drones carrier. Basically from the hull of commercial standard bulk cargo vessel. Honestly I don't see how this going to be much useful. Considering Irianian Navy doesn't posses enough suitable vessel to provide escort. Even without US and Western Navy in the Gulf, they don't have enough worthwhile escort facing latest Gulf Kingdoms Corvettes and Frigates.

 

[Toptob]

H I Sutton - Covert Shores

www.hisutton.com

H.I Sutton put on his page what seems to be Iranian Drones carrier. Basically from the hull of commercial standard bulk cargo vessel. Honestly I don't see how this going to be much useful. Considering Irianian Navy doesn't posses enough suitable vessel to provide escort. Even without US and Western Navy in the Gulf, they don't have enough worthwhile escort facing latest Gulf Kingdoms Corvettes and Frigates.

Well that looks interesting. I wonder how hanging a flight deck off the side of a container ship will impact it's sea keeping abilities. They'll have to offset a lot of mass on the port side of that ship.

However I have to disagree with you @Ananda , I can imagine many ways in which such a vessel could be used to further the interest of Iran. Yes in an all out brawl it won't be doing much for them but to be fair the rest of their navy wouldn't be very useful either in such a situation. But in many other cases having a large hull that can carry an launch drones or helicopters, travel long distances and maybe support other ships would be a good thing for a lot of navies. Supporting friendly "operators" in conflict zones using spy drones, or supporting clandestine operations, helicopter support, logistic missions to remote areas, disaster relief to name a few.

I mean she's not much to look at, but I think this is a realistic and effective way for Iran to develop such a capability. They're not going to be building some high-tech deep water fleet to rival their enemies in any imaginable case. So she's a bit of a sitting duck, but so is most of their navy. I don't think Iran is counting on it's navy when it's power competition turns kinetic, but the Arabian sea is a big place and even in such a situation they could get a few shots off before they're taken out.

 

[ngatimozart]

Well that looks interesting. I wonder how hanging a flight deck off the side of a container ship will impact it's sea keeping abilities. They'll have to offset a lot of mass on the port side of that ship.

However I have to disagree with you @Ananda , I can imagine many ways in which such a vessel could be used to further the interest of Iran. Yes in an all out brawl it won't be doing much for them but to be fair the rest of their navy wouldn't be very useful either in such a situation. But in many other cases having a large hull that can carry an launch drones or helicopters, travel long distances and maybe support other ships would be a good thing for a lot of navies. Supporting friendly "operators" in conflict zones using spy drones, or supporting clandestine operations, helicopter support, logistic missions to remote areas, disaster relief to name a few.

I mean she's not much to look at, but I think this is a realistic and effective way for Iran to develop such a capability. They're not going to be building some high-tech deep water fleet to rival their enemies in any imaginable case. So she's a bit of a sitting duck, but so is most of their navy. I don't think Iran is counting on it's navy when it's power competition turns kinetic, but the Arabian sea is a big place and even in such a situation they could get a few shots off before they're taken out.

It's also IRGC, not Iranian navy so it won't necessarily operate in a traditional naval way.

 

[Ananda]

Yes in an all out brawl it won't be doing much for them but to be fair the rest of their navy wouldn't be very useful either in such a situation.

I should clear out my thinking on the usefullness of this kind of vessel more to conventional conflicts sense. Yes on asymmetrical conflicts it has some usefulness. Still the Gulf more or less constraint sea area, and make it limited place to operate this vessels without enough escort cover.

Iran neighbors naval forces also continue evolving, and the gulf kingdoms has more resources to conduct green navy operation (then brown water operations that they use too). Iran doesn't have as much as resources then their neighbors combine. Just wondering if this is right investment for them, considering that.

 

[koxinga]

The new Damavand-2 frigate appears ready to launch in the next few weeks. Quite interesting design with an indigenous fixed phased array radar. We know their ground launched SAMs (Bavar-373s, Taers) have been using phased array technology and they had exhibited one before.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621150641015107588

 

[koxinga]

Looks like they launched and commissioned this (Delyaman) in late (27?28?) November.

Based on the general layout, my guess is the underlying design is still based on the Alvand type corvette, but obviously updated with attempts at signature management, forward VLS, AESA radar (Eagle Eye, doesn't seem to be installed yet) and the AK363 copy.

Quite a bit a kit might not have been installed yet, like the VLS.

 

[Redlands18]

Iranian Warship Sahand Capsizes And Sinks - Naval News
Oh dear, always have to be careful about adding top weight.
Moudge-class frigate - Wikipedia
She is the 2nd vessel of the Moudge class to sink, following the loss of Damavand in a storm in 2018.
Another sister the Shiraz accidently overturned during construction.

 

[swerve]

And a third one managed to capsize while building, before even getting in the water. Two out of five completed ships lost in a few years, plus one that's supposedly being rebuilt after massive damage before launch. Three such failures out of seven starts suggests something other than just bad luck. Appallingly bad management?

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

And a third one managed to capsize while building, before even getting in the water. Two out of five completed ships lost in a few years, plus one that's supposedly being rebuilt after massive damage before launch. Three such failures out of seven starts suggests something other than just bad luck. Appallingly bad management?

This class of advanced stealth frigates is from a new revolutionary design, as revolutionary as the Revolutionary Guard. It has the ultimate stealth technology, which make these frigates as stealthy as the Qaher-313 6,5th generation multirole fighterjet.

After all, a surface vessel under water is extremely hard to detect.

 

[Ananda]

Three such failures out of seven starts suggests something other than just bad luck. Appallingly bad management?

They are basically build using 1960's Vosper base design for smaller size, then add much electronics even plan VLS on that Hull. My amateurs two cents, they have problem designing proper hull for the size they want.



Tweek this 70's (or even 60's) design, and enlarged them with equipment for ship that should be nearly twice displacement. I don't know, not a good idea from beginning. Well I'm no naval architect, but my common sense say something wrong from begining.