Well I haven't been able to get confirmation yet on this matter in here, since eventhough the airforce wants COIN replacement for OV 10 for sometime and already submit Super Tucano as the prefered candidates, but some noises in defense ministries admiited the South Korean still want to pursue hard with KO-1.Indonesia buys eight jets Embraer Super Tucano Agreement between Brazil and the U.S. could open the U.S. market
Embraer has just closed the sale of eight jets Super Tucano aircraft of advanced training and light attack aircraft for the Air Force of Indonesia. The information was disclosed yesterday (15 Oct '09) by the Air Force commander, Brigadier Juniti Saito, certification event for the sub-orbital rocket VSB-30 and test engine sounding rocket VS-40, Department of Aerospace Science and Technology (DCTA) Sao Jose dos Campos.
Embraer, sought by value, said, through a spokesperson, would not comment on the transaction. With this new contract of sale, the third international supply of the Super Tucano in 2009, aircraft orders this year totaling 40 units. Sales of the model now totaling 177 units, of which 100 have been delivered, and 75 for the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) and 25 for Colombia.
The value of the contract with Indonesia was not disclosed, but the basic version of the Super Tucano costs about $ 10 million. The growth in sales of the Super Tucano should also increase the participation of defense in sales and CEO. In 2008, for example, the aircraft was responsible for more than half of exports of this segment of the company, which amounted to U $ 504 million.
Bellow the image of Puna UAV, from defense-studies blogspot.Tangerang (ANTARA News) - Agency for the Assessment and Application of Technology (BPPT) in 2010, immediately operate the aircraft crew or mini-nir "Puna" as a supporter of national defense and security and terrorist surveillance.
Minister for Research and Technology (Research and Technology) Kusmayanto Kadiman in Tangerang, Banten, Saturday, saying, BPPT has researched and successfully developed Puna as a reconnaissance aircraft of the air of what is happening on land and sea.
He said, Puna will be used by the military and police personnel to Indonesia in the infiltration of activities in conflict-prone areas.
"Puna also conduct surveillance of terrorists who were hiding in inaccessible locations," said Puna Menristek.Pesawat miniature camera is also equipped to photograph events on the ground and report to stakeholders as evidence.
Research and Technology said the aircraft Puna is currently in final stages of manufacturing process and will be operated in 2010.
"We want to show researchers aircraft made Puna Indonesia could be used as a supporter of national security, so it must not be purchased from abroad," said Research and Technology.
Meanwhile, Director of Technology Center for Defense and Security Industry BPPT, Joko Purwono said, Puna can reach a height in the air up to 120 kilometers (km).
Puna is an aircraft equipped with surveillance cameras otonomos and not controlled through the remote.
Joko added, Puna has a body length of four meters and seven meters long with a wing reach a sufficient height above the air.
"Puna aircraft will be produced next year by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI), for the moment the plane was in the process of completion," said Joko.
In addition, said Joko BPPT has also developed two miniature reconnaissance aircraft other types of aircraft Swallow weighing 10 kilograms (kg) and reconnaissance aircraft called Alap-Alap weighing 25 kg, to monitor Indonesia's marine waters. (*)
Im 100% agree with you. Its waste of our money. Why would we need a fixed wing COIN AIRCRAFT? And if we need them now, Some extra Mi-35P or as you said KO-1 would be better....From Defesanet..Using Google translation:
Well I haven't been able to get confirmation yet on this matter in here, since eventhough the airforce wants COIN replacement for OV 10 for sometime and already submit Super Tucano as the prefered candidates, but some noises in defense ministries admiited the South Korean still want to pursue hard with KO-1.
Anyway, personally I still hold my oppinion that buying another sq's for COIN relacement is not really smart move for our situations. It will again put our relative small air forces in logistics trap with more than aircraft types it can really maintain optimally. If the airforce really want COIN (wasted resources I'm still say with the Army already have MI-35), then KO-1 with 80% commonality with KT-1 should be the choices.
But let see if any confirmation come out from here.
According to publish work load from DI/IPTN, the schedulled delivery and existing CN 235 on the facility should go to South Korea. Anyway the colour scheme seems not the one being used by our Air Force or Naval Air Wing.This picture is taken from far away, but you can see a new CN235-220.
Maybe its for South-Korea's order for 4 aircraft, but maybe its for our own airforce. On the body of the aircraft the code beginning with AX-23.. is visible...
Sorry for the late reply (I've been kind of tied up and my schedule is looking worse over time). Yes, we'll find out more once the T-50 makes its first export sales. Here's some recent Raytheon news related to the Korean aircraft.@OPSSG T50 looks great indeed let's see what it comes with in "the real world"
Thanks, interesting article. But i dont think the US is willing to sell such a high-tech radar as a AESA to an islamic brown non-Western/white/NATO country, specially to Indonesia.Sorry for the late reply (I've been kind of tied up and my schedule is looking worse over time). Yes, we'll find out more once the T-50 makes its first export sales. Here's some recent Raytheon news related to the Korean aircraft.
This was couple of weeks old from defense industry dailly. I brought this up to show seems some of our brass are getting the massage that we do not need spesialised COIN to replace the OV 10. Getting the armed trainers will do the job.In August 2007, “Indonesia’s Air Force Adds More Flankers” chronicled its purchase of Russian SU-27SK and SU-30MKK fighters. The Flankers would supplement and/or replace fleets of F-16A/B and F-5E/F Tiger II fighters, whose condition was harmed by a long arms embargo imposed in response to widespread repression and genocide in East Timor.
East Timor became independent in 2002, and the American embargo on military supplies to Indonesia was lifted in 2005. Nevertheless, the effects of foregone maintenance can be lasting, and the experience was firmly etched into Indonesia’s military consciousness. Subsequent incidents, such as the UK’s injunctions against using British-made Scorpion light tanks against Aceh’s separatist revolt, only deepened the determination of Indonesia’s military and political leaders to deal with a different set of military suppliers.
In fall 2007, “Indonesia Signs $1B+ Defense Credit Agreement With Russia” chronicled the next step under that policy. Now Indonesia is looking to replace its fleets of BAE Hawk Mk.53 trainer jets, and OV-10 Bronco forward air control/ counterinsurgency aircraft. Their replacements will reportedly be Russian – and Chinese…
The Yak-130 was developed as a joint project by Alenia Aermacchi, and Russia’s Yakolev Design Bureau. The partners ended up going their separate ways, fielding 2-seat aircraft with similar lines but different internal equipment. By 2006 the aircraft had beaten the MiG-AT and Sukhoi’s S-54 to be selected as Russia’s next advanced jet trainer, and has also been sold to Algeria. There are also reports that Libya has 6 on order.
While Alenia’s M-346 Master emphasizes its role as an advanced trainer and aerobatic jet, the similar Yak-130 can also be heavily armed for air policing patrol, or counter-insurgency/ ground attack missions. Its NIIP Zhukovsky Osa radar offers adequate performance, and its 8 hardpoints can carry up to 3,000 kg/ 6,600 pounds of weapons. These reportedly include Western equipment like AIM-9L/Magic 2 short-range air-air missiles (SRAAM) and AGM-65 Maverick precision strike missiles; as well as Russian weapons like the advanced R-73/ AA-11 Archer SRAAM, a Platan targeting pod, the Vhikr and KH-25ML laser guided missiles, the KAB-500Kr guided bomb, 23mm or 30mm gun pods, or rockets and unguided bombs. The Yak-130 is powered by a pair of AI-222-25 or Povazske Strojarne DV-2SM (export option) turbofans.
The Yak-130 offers similar capabilities to Indonesia’s 8 existing Hawk 109 trainers, and may be actually more comparable to its 29 single-seat Hawk 209 light attack aircraft. Unlike the Tentara Nasional Indonesia Angkatan Udara’s (TNI–AU, Indonesia’s air force) 20 Hawk Mk.53 trainers, which were ordered in 1980-81 and reportedly have few operational planes left, these 1990s-era Hawk fleets remain operational, and are expected to remain in service with the TNI-AU.
China National Guizhou Aviation Industry’s JiaoLian-9, known as FTC-2000 Shanying (Mountain Eagle) when exported, is derived from China’s JJ-7 trainer. Which was, in turn, derived from Russian 2-seat MiG-21s. Visible enhancements include a raised cockpit that greatly improves visibility for both pilots, a correspondingly larger dorsal “spine”, a cranked delta wing to improve handling characteristics, and moving the engine intake from the plane’s nose to a pair of small side intakes.
The JL-9 uses a Chinese WP-13 or WP-14 turbojet engine, and carries Chinese electronics, and weapons. It reportedly packs an internal 23mm cannon, and has 5 stores stations that can carry up to 2,000 kg/ 4,400 pounds of fuel tanks, short-range air-air missiles, or rocket launders and unguided bombs. Its derivation from the MiG-21 gives it questionable suitability as a ground attack aircraft, but they could be used effectively for secondary air policing, especially if equipped with SELEX Galileo’s Grifo S7 radar.
Contracts and Key Events
Nov 13/09: The Jakarta Post quotes newly sworn-in Indonesian Air Force chief of staff Vice Marshal Imam Safaat, who says that Russian Yak-130s and Chinese FTC-2000s would replace Indonesia’s 20 remaining British Hawk Mk.53 trainer jets (2 reportedly operational), and remaining American OV-10 Bronco turboprops (0-8 operational).
At this point, this is pre-budget intent, and not a contract. The age of Indonesia’s Hawk and Bronco fleets, and the importance of training, will add urgency to this request. Imam said that these aircraft are “expensive” and would be bought with the help of foreign aid.
The new TNI-AU chief added that the service also plans to replace its 16 F-5E/Fs (4 reportedly operational) by 2013.
Indonesia’s economy has performed well in recent years, and the TNI-AU budget is expected to increase by 25%-75% over the next year, adding $105-320 million. Nevertheless, a verdict that even the Yak-130 and FTC-2000 are expensive could suggest these very aircraft for the F-5’s roles. Both designs are capable of handling those roles at comparable performance levels, and the shrinkage of Indonesia’s front-line combat fleet makes a large array of single-focus trainers a dubious proposition, unless ample money is available for more front-line fighters as well. The flip side of that choice is that beyond the Yak-130’s strong close air support capabilities, these 2 choices would not be competitive with modern fighters.
Alternatively, Indonesia could cast a wider net, and look to purchase both replacement trainers, and low-budget dedicated fighters like the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 Thunder, India’s Tejas, or South Korea’s TA-50 Golden Eagle to replace its F-5s. A more ambitious effort might even examine higher-end lightweight fighters like the Russian MiG-29/35, Chinese J-10, or the Swedish JAS-39 Gripen flown by nearby Thailand. Of these lightweight fighter choices, the Russian MiG-29/35 and Chinese JF-17 or J-10 are the only options that would be immune to future western military sanctions. All of the other choices currently fly with General Electric turbofan engines, and are slated to continue using western designs.
Indonesia Looking at Russian, Chinese Trainer/Attack Aircraft
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This was couple of weeks old from defense industry dailly. I brought this up to show seems some of our brass are getting the massage that we do not need spesialised COIN to replace the OV 10. Getting the armed trainers will do the job.
This perhaps show indications on how the 8 sq of TNI AU will be in 2014. 2 sq of Hawk 100-200, 2 sq of Yak 130 then perhaps 2 sq of F/A 50 (if the planned with South Korea still moving forward) replacing F 5 and F 16, and 2 Sq of Flankers. However if the South Korean planned go sour than 4 sq of Yak 130 seems will be the target. Don't think on using Chinese Fighthers though, resistances in hre on using Chinese fighthers still quite strong. Using Chinese misssiles is one thing, than using the Chinese fighters.
Again this still speculations based on the how the potential procurements moving.
Confusing. Indonesia should only buy one type of COIN aircraft (Embraer Super Tucano A-29 light attack turboprop, K-1, etc.) It is much cheaper to develop maintenance/operations specialization in one aircraft family; then it is to develop maintenance/operations specialization in several aircraft families.
What will Indonesia eventually decide?
Off topic, Embraer Super Tucano A-29 light attack aircraft has had a lot of recent sales wins against its competitor platforms, including with the Afghan Air Force.
Bambu Runcing, TNI AU only put Super Tucano's as their prefrences to replaced OV 10, however not any singgle contract has been ink. Remembered, the one that can ink the contract is the MInistry of Defences and not TNI AU.Oh no, not again
FTC 2000? Its just a heavy facelifted MIG-21
As for COIN, Ind AF has signed to buy Embraer Super Tucano
Sorry Anan, I don't think I have the number. Besides, A 50 it self actually (if I'm not mistaken) not exist yet (afterall only T 50 that already exist right..??).Ananda (nice name by the way ), what is the life cycle cost of a Yak 130 versus an A 50?
-cost per mile flown in maintenance refit?
-cost per mile flown in fuel?
-cost per engine?
-miles each engine can fly?
I would imagine that an A50 light attack aircraft substantially outperforms the Yak 130 in the large majority of military metrics.
I gave up on this one Seems the Air Force still show strong inclinations on having Super Tucano's eventhough no Defence Ministry source can confirm that they already agree with Super Tucano's as choices.TARAKAN - Army Chief of Staff of the Air Force (KSAU) Air Vice Marshall Imam Sufaat with entourage, Tuesday (15/12) made a visit to the Headquarters Operations Command II, Tarakan airforce base.Danlanud Tarakan, pilots Lt. Col. Andrian Erwan revealed, the visit was related to KSAU TNI AU plans to put the Super Tucano aircraft in Tarakan. This aircraft will be patrolling the border area.
"Placement Super Tucano aircraft was, as a form of central government attention to the border area. This was in accordance with the mandate of the president to be noted in the border area. In the presence of these aircraft are expected to security in border areas can be maintained from the interference of other countries," he said.
In addition to placement of the Super Tucano aircraft, said Erwan, will be placed also a number of airforce personnel. The plan is 300 airforce personnel who will be stationed at Headquarters Operations Command in Tarakan. "Well certainly the number of personnel will be added, with the presence of the Super Tucano aircraft," he said.
According to Erwan, currently airforce personnel in Tarakan, only 33 people. Because until now the construction of housing for members of the TNI AU has not finished. "Building this house is still minimal, and not yet finished, so still waiting until 2010 to come," he said.
As information, Tucano aircraft is capable trainer aircraft COIN (Counter insurgency) or antigerilya attack aircraft made by Embraer Defense Systems, Brasilia. Super Tucano aircraft is a development of the EMB-312 Tucano.
Super Tucano has 2 machine guns located on the left and right, 5 hooks with composition stations each in 2 pieces left and right wing and 1 piece of the fuselage with a total weight 1550 kg. All stations can be installed MK-81 classed bomb, MK-82, multiple rocket launchers, and laser-guided bombs.