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Indonesia plans to buy 16 KF-21 Block II fighter jets following new talks with South Korea

Indonesia is reviewing a revised plan to acquire 16 KF-21 Block II fighters as it seeks to stabilize its role in the South Korean-led fighter program.

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Indonesia looks to revive KF-21 contract with Block 2 acquisition

Indonesia's involvement in South Korea's KF-21 Boramae fighter programme looks set to deepen, with fresh indications that Jakarta may procure 16 Block 2 variants of the...

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Janes claim to have memo from Indonesia and ROK discussion that talk on acquisition negotiation for 16 KF-21 Blk2. This is the multirole version of KF-21, as Blk1 more on Air Defence variance.

Not clear yet if this 16 will part of 48 commitment on KFX co-op agreement. Personally I sense it depends on how far DI got industrial agreement. If this turn out as part of future fleet of Rafale and KF/IF-21 then it will be relative the better result. Relative considering confussing patern on planning. Perhaps this is by bizare design as the strategy, multiple negotiation with no pattern, but narrowing in the end.

Su-35 contract is open, waiting to find acceptable credit line. However will any FI still want to circumstance US and Euro Market for Russia defence export ? KAAN future deal depends on availability of Turkey own engine (as that the contract from what I heard spesifically put it). While more and more sign shown F-15EX deal will be substitute with Boeing Commercial deals.

Thus so far seems Rafale and KF-21 that got traction. Su-35 being talk only to be procure 8 to augment 8 Su-30 upgraded by Belarussian for Mk2 standard. Thus less then 11 original plan and keep the current Flanker Squadron at 16. This as part of Indonesia difficulty to get enough credit line to properly finance Russian acquisition. 8 Flankers being retired are the ones consider too expensive to upgrade. Even that it is all depend on negotiation on finding Financing with agreable rate. Finance guys so far talk that's what still hold up any payment agreement.

Let's see how this develop.

 

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Last F-16AM (after MLU) doing flight testing. With this all 10 F-16 A/B finish Falcon Star MLU. However plan to conduct upgrade for 23 F-16 C/D toward V standard seems just like plan with F-15EX stay on planning stage. Thus if no upgrade for those C/D, potentially they will be replace sooner than those upgrade AM/BM.

Looking on development, potentially they can be replace by KF/IF-21.

 

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3K views · 182 reactions | 3 Pesawat tempur Rafale B TNI AU No Registrasi T-0301, T-0302 dan T-0303 di Perancis. | Indonesia Defence Review

3 Pesawat tempur Rafale B TNI AU No Registrasi T-0301, T-0302 dan T-0303 di Perancis.

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First flight of three Rafale B of first batch, seems ready for delivery flight. Schedule still next month from what I can gather. However there's rumour it can be forward to this month, depends on preparation in Pekanbaru AB as their designated home base.

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Dassault Rafale C F4 T-0317

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Looking to what being prepared, the second flight of first batch going to be single seat Rafale C. This in contrary on previous prediction of all first batch of six will be Rafale B.

 

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Indonesia plans to buy 16 KF-21 Block II fighter jets following new talks with South Korea

Indonesia is reviewing a revised plan to acquire 16 KF-21 Block II fighters as it seeks to stabilize its role in the South Korean-led fighter program.

www.armyrecognition.com

Indonesia looks to revive KF-21 contract with Block 2 acquisition

Indonesia's involvement in South Korea's KF-21 Boramae fighter programme looks set to deepen, with fresh indications that Jakarta may procure 16 Block 2 variants of the...

www.janes.com

Janes claim to have memo from Indonesia and ROK discussion that talk on acquisition negotiation for 16 KF-21 Blk2. This is the multirole version of KF-21, as Blk1 more on Air Defence variance.

Not clear yet if this 16 will part of 48 commitment on KFX co-op agreement. Personally I sense it depends on how far DI got industrial agreement. If this turn out as part of future fleet of Rafale and KF/IF-21 then it will be relative the better result. Relative considering confussing patern on planning. Perhaps this is by bizare design as the strategy, multiple negotiation with no pattern, but narrowing in the end.

Su-35 contract is open, waiting to find acceptable credit line. However will any FI still want to circumstance US and Euro Market for Russia defence export ? KAAN future deal depends on availability of Turkey own engine (as that the contract from what I heard spesifically put it). While more and more sign shown F-15EX deal will be substitute with Boeing Commercial deals.

Thus so far seems Rafale and KF-21 that got traction. Su-35 being talk only to be procure 8 to augment 8 Su-30 upgraded by Belarussian for Mk2 standard. Thus less then 11 original plan and keep the current Flanker Squadron at 16. This as part of Indonesia difficulty to get enough credit line to properly finance Russian acquisition. 8 Flankers being retired are the ones consider too expensive to upgrade. Even that it is all depend on negotiation on finding Financing with agreable rate. Finance guys so far talk that's what still hold up any payment agreement.

Let's see how this develop.

After more than a decade of uncertainty and political unwillingness from the Indonesian government, i stay skeptical about the participation with the KF-21 program.

In total 2 Su-27SK, 2 Su-30MK, 3 Su-27SKM and 9 Su-30MK2 were delivered to Indonesia. If i'm not wrong the first four Sukhois delivered were upgraded to the same standard as the later ones. So which of these Sukhois are to be retired and why are these considered too expensive to upgrade/get a life extension?

 

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So which of these Sukhois are to be retired and why are these considered too expensive to upgrade/get a life extension?

Well it is still rumours, but rumours from enthusiats circle, bit's of upgrade info from TNI-AU, and some info from finance guys talk about budget and airframe condition.

The rumours talk due to difficulty on getting parts and financing, the availabilities of the Flankers drop to 25%-30%. Financing difficulties arise not due to budget, but find FI that want to intermediate trade financing for importing the parts and maintenance services. In short it cost more in financing Russian assets this days.

Thus deterioration on Flankers condition means need more budget to revive them all. Thus with potential available financing for both getting new Su-35 and revive plus upgrade Flankers fleet, rumours talk not all existing Flankers will be maintain and upgrade. The noises talk only Su-30 Mk2 will be maintain and all Su-27 phases out with Su-35.

On Financing side it is heard that initial plan for 1 squadron of upgrade 11 Su-30 Mk2 and 1 squadron of 11 Su-35 potentially can not be achieve due to higher costs on financing trade deal with Russia and Belarussia. Thus this is where I heard potentially only 8 Su-30Mk2 can be upgrade with 8 new Su-35.

Again all back to MoF find and negotiate with Financial Market on getting acceptable trade credit financing. This is why I said, even the Su-35 contract still open, it is not guarantee can be finance. Unless MoF want to finance with cash, which something I really really doubt (regardless budget availability).

If you question why still want to keep and financing Russian Asset despite the incresing cost. It is back to 'political' (internal and geopolitics) consideration. Something that I have put in this thread are not black and white answer.

 

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https://x.com/i/status/2009574305106219045

Indonesia Defence Minister visit and negotiation meeting with Aselsan. Put it on this thread as seems big part of what being talk related to Aerial Defences items.