IAF in 2015

adsH

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Pak-FA, has been canceled it was developed as a tech Demonstrator,IAF doesn't need to revive the program since Russia is offering newer better Fighter programs. LCA is still too young and INdia scapability interms of Developing High-tech Avionics is still intermediate.So i would think LCA's next upgrade which should be after its induction after 2015 should really make the Fighter Effective-in Ariel defense.
 

Panzer

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adsH said:
Pak-FA, has been canceled it was developed as a tech Demonstrator,IAF doesn't need to revive the program since Russia is offering newer better Fighter programs. LCA is still too young and INdia scapability interms of Developing High-tech Avionics is still intermediate.So i would think LCA's next upgrade which should be after its induction after 2015 should really make the Fighter Effective-in Ariel defense.
Tech demonstrator???
PAK-FA canceled??? :eek
I thought T-50 is PAK-FA. Please correct me if i am wrong.
 

Jacob

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adsH said:
Pak-FA, has been canceled it was developed as a tech Demonstrator,IAF doesn't need to revive the program since Russia is offering newer better Fighter programs. LCA is still too young and INdia scapability interms of Developing High-tech Avionics is still intermediate.So i would think LCA's next upgrade which should be after its induction after 2015 should really make the Fighter Effective-in Ariel defense.
It was the S-37 Berkut project which was cancelled.many of its techs would go into the Pak-Fa,which will fly by 2010.
 

SABRE

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adsH said:
Pak-FA, has been canceled it was developed as a tech Demonstrator,IAF doesn't need to revive the program since Russia is offering newer better Fighter programs. LCA is still too young and INdia scapability interms of Developing High-tech Avionics is still intermediate.So i would think LCA's next upgrade which should be after its induction after 2015 should really make the Fighter Effective-in Ariel defense.
S-40 (Su-37) Birkut was the technology demonstrator competed to US's some swept forward "X" series tech demonstrator by Northorp Grummen. Both failed & got cancelled but did give way to new tecnology.
Pak-FA is based on Birkut, similar but wings r swept backwards. Pak-FA cant fail right now as it has not even conducted a test yet.
 

TheMind

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SABRE said:
Pak-FA cant fail right now as it has not even conducted a test yet.
Exactly. What I believe (as the online sources indicate) is it would fly by 2009-2010 and would be available for export by 2012. Let's see if India tries to buy it or not.
 

redsoulja

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Exactly. What I believe (as the online sources indicate) is it would fly by 2009-2010 and would be available for export by 2012. Let's see if India tries to buy it or not.
Aren't the indians making it in collaboration with the russians adn thus they obviously will induct them into the IAF??
 

SABRE

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As far as I know, yes the Indians have share in it & r making it togather with Russian although the major work is being done by Russians. Hence it will definitly be inducted in to the IAF, "IF" it passes all the tests like engine test etc.
So far two of the best Russian ACs have gone back to closet, for ever, m talking about Su-40 (S-37) Birkut & MiG-1.42. Realy waiting for PAK-FA, its funny that its based completely on Birkut will Birkut is a failure project.
Anyways Birkut was a tech demon, it did its job to give way to PAK-FA.
 

ajay_ijn

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By 2015 i suppose India will be getting the first Pak-FA or signing the deal if everything went as planned i.e first prototype by 2010 and operational by 2013 or 2014.

If Pak-FA is delayed India will be buying some other fighter by 2015 may be EF-2000 or someother.

by 2015

190 Su-30MKI
70 Mig-29 (Upgraded to SMT)
175 Mirage-2005
200 Mig-27 and jaguar
70 LCA

Still falls short of some 100 aircraft if she retires all Mig-21 bison.
Looks like IAF will surely have less squardons by 2015.

So we can predict that IAF will buy some 50 new aircraft by 2015 to fill the gap.It will mostly sign in 2011 or 2012.

What about helicopters?

By 2015
50 Mi-26 and Mi-17
100 ALH
50 LCH
50 Ka-50 and Mi-35
50 new assault helicopters to replace Mi-17.
 

P.A.F

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i totally agree with your list ajay_in. the IAF may be short of jets but the quality factor is definately there.
 

arjun

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i hope india will have it's own state of art military hardwear in all defence fields 2015 as much as they can make and do not depend on any other country. well it is just hope not fact. but the world is living in hope . hope never dies
 

Shazzz

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ajay_ijn said:
By 2015 i suppose India will be getting the first Pak-FA or signing the deal if everything went as planned i.e first prototype by 2010 and operational by 2013 or 2014.

If Pak-FA is delayed India will be buying some other fighter by 2015 may be EF-2000 or someother.

by 2015

190 Su-30MKI
70 Mig-29 (Upgraded to SMT)
175 Mirage-2005
200 Mig-27 and jaguar
70 LCA

Still falls short of some 100 aircraft if she retires all Mig-21 bison.
Looks like IAF will surely have less squardons by 2015.

So we can predict that IAF will buy some 50 new aircraft by 2015 to fill the gap.It will mostly sign in 2011 or 2012.

What about helicopters?

By 2015
50 Mi-26 and Mi-17
100 ALH
50 LCH
50 Ka-50 and Mi-35
50 new assault helicopters to replace Mi-17.
190 Su-30mki is very large no
They will retire all Mig-27s and Jagaurs.
round about 100~120 LCAs
 

ajay_ijn

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190 Su-30mki is very large no
Please do read info about Su-30MKI before making such statements.
190 Su-30's is not a assumption or prediction by 2015.
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html
End Result : IAF will eventually acquire a total of 190 Su-30MKI. Out of these 50 will be made in Russia by Irkutsk Aircraft Production Association (IAPO) while the rest will be produced in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). Production might be increased if necessary. HAL chairman Nalini Ranjan Mohanty has said that the Indian-built Su-30s will cost only about $22.5 million a unit against the current import price of about $37.5 million [Financial Express, 10-Dec-2001].
not more then 120 LCAs,200 Mig-29s.
Number of LCA is a prediction.
I think less than 100 LCA's would be produced.
200 Mig-29???
No I think it would be only 70 Mig-29 and 175 Mirage-2005.
No MCA till 2020.
I think Prototype would be out by 2013 and production would begin by 2015-2017 and IAF might buy them by 2018.
And First Squardon must be active by 2020.

 

Akshay

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by 2015


200 Mirage-2000\5
200 Su-Mki
60 Pak-fa
125 LCA
30 MCA
66 Hawks
125 Mig-21-93
70 Mig-29
150\+ Jaguars,Mig-27
 

adsH

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According to AFM the Deliveries of the 140 SU30mki would end near around 2017-18 this is from the experts who know the Air Forces they talk about you’ve got to read up this Month’s AFM there are detailed sections about the IAF procurements. IAF just finished up with there first Indigenously Assembled (Russian kit) Flanker.
 

ajay_ijn

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According to AFM the Deliveries of the 140 SU30mki would end near around 2017-18 this is from the experts who know the Air Forces they talk about you’ve got to read up this Month’s AFM there are detailed sections about the IAF procurements. IAF just finished up with there first Indigenously Assembled (Russian kit) Flanker.
True,but by 2015 IAF will atleast have 160 MKI's.

Maybe a squadron of Tu-22M3 bombers??
Those are for Navy not for Airforce.
They are Maritime Strike Bombers.
 
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