IADS and SEAD discussion

Terran

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The Iron Dome uses source code that is highly classified and belongs to the IDF and Rafael. If the IDF does not give permission, Rafael cannot transfer it.

However, measures are being taken to make the source code more accessible to the US, and perhaps through Raytheon.
So, it's a matter of time.
Endgame system here will not be Iron dome as it is now. Skyhunter would the son of Iron done, an Americanized system. They want to fork the technology.
The two systems would have common hardware but the OS and some of the package would change. Think of it like Android and IPhone. They have similar hardware but the Software the source codes are (likely to be) incompatible despite both OS being based off a common root.
Iron dome bought buy the US army is more or less stock Iron dome with the source code issues. However for a major army like the US you can’t expect them to deploy such a system probably in numbers that might dwarf the IDF without tailoring to their needs,
The US Army wants to plug its future Indirect Fire Protection Capability system into the same network as PAC and other assets. To get via the network a heads up of incoming threats before they are on the systems own Radar and have the same type of networked US communications not currently available to the US via iron dome.
This is why the shoot off. To see if Raytheon can deliver or if the competition could an Iron dome like system that is compatible with the rest of the air defense network.
 

Big_Zucchini

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That is all understood. Hence why I have written it needs some work.
But when one side is so disadvantaged in a shoot off, and only 2 companies are said to participate, there may not be much merit so said shoot off.
 

Big_Zucchini

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So remember this?


At the end of the video we see what appears to be a laser system mounted on a Hermes 900.
Elbit's leadership is very competent. It appears they've made all the right bets during their lifetime. Seeing them take airborne lasers as a growth engine is definitely enough to convince me we'll see big things in this decade, perhaps by the middle of it.

This is the first public showcase of an airborne laser test made by the IDF in cooperation with Elbit.



The test is on a larger (than a Hermes 900, in some parameters) Cessna, but the plans are for an unmanned aircraft, in the end.
Around 10 drones were shot down, from a range of around 1km.

Some details:
  • Ground and airborne lasers are developed concurrently, rather than airborne being a later phase.
  • Impactful deployment of ground systems should occur around 2024 - which is 9 years behind original schedule.
  • IOC of airborne laser around 2023.
  • First one will be installed on a "Boeing", slang for any 7x7 series plane. I assume a baby YAL-1.
  • Miniaturization is of course desired for airborne laser. A baby YAL is, for Israel, a hard-to-swallow expense, unless we can turn it into a module fitted to KC-46A.
  • Offensive capabilities for airborne laser are now a debated subject.

Lasers are constantly becoming a more credible threat, and now we can expect to see aerial assets taking an integral part in the kinetic aspect of air defense. And that's while we still haven't properly integrated airborne IAMD-oriented ISR.
 

Terran

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First one will be installed on a "Boeing", slang for any 7x7 series plane. I assume a baby YAL-1.
Probably a 737. The Israelis have used it for a number of Radar test beds it’s common and easy to get. Plenty of room to mount internal or external.
 
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