How would pak. counter phalcon threat?

How do you plan to counter phalcon threat?

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GoldenEagle

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Now that phalcon would be flyingin nextdoor.How do you plan to counter the threat?

phalcon range= 350 kms
flying altitude[ceiling]=35000 fts and above.



ft-2000 max.range=100 extendible to 150 kms. max
altitude attained=35000 fts.?


The phalcon does not have to come in range to spy on your territory and so it would be worthless to deploy anti-awacs systems.So what should we do?

-extend range of anti-awacs system to 350 kms or more?
Vertical altitude to 150 kms from surface to air is very difficult to achieve as this becomes equal to an space launch vehicle putting a satellite into the lowest orbit in space. Killing a phalcon would be equal to putting a small satellite into space, each time and no guarantee it would hit a score.

So, other option is:
-satellites into near orbit, which could track phalcon movements and jam their radar when required or even shoot it down?


For your comments and suggestions?




GE :sniper
 

Oqaab

New Member
Pakistan has decided to counter Phalcons with FT-2000 Anti radiation missiles but I dont think these missiles can counter Phlacon. FT-2000 has a range of 100 kms and Phalcons will be able to see 250 km area of Pakistan even if they are away from the range of FT-2000. Pakistan still needs 1 or 2 AWACS planes to neutralize imbalance of power.
 

ullu

New Member
Awacs killers are best bet for pakistan right now. As we all know no one else would sell anything that helps Pakistan in anyway, shape or form as far as its defenses are concerned. But they will come crying over their mothers when they need Pakistan. Lousy bastards. :mad
 

Red aRRow

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Another more daring way is to make a "suicide squad" or Kamikaze style group of around four or five JF-17s for each Phalcon. The group's sole purpose would be to head straight for their designated Phalcon and to take it down. The pilots need to be highly motivated and selfless; which I am sure will not be difficult to find in the PAF.
They would have to have a strategy to get through the AWACS escort which will surely do its best to guard the Phalcon. One way could be to send 3 to 4 Thunders in first to get one on one with the escort while sneaking in 1 or 2 Thunders little later which directly go for the Phalcon.
 

webmaster

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Whats phalcon doing when it would let a "sneak in" fighter jet in to attack it? Don't you think the backup will arrive from somewhere-its EARLY WARNING system after all. :hehe:
 

Red aRRow

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WebMaster said:
Whats phalcon doing when it would let a "sneak in" fighter jet in to attack it? Don't you think the backup will arrive from somewhere-its EARLY WARNING system after all. :hehe:
LOL ...I think i got carried away!! :D :D :D

I guess the answer is FT-2000 and key is to fire one after the other. Meaning as soon as the phalcon appears i.e. its electromagnetic radiation is detected an AWACS killer should be fired. Either the Phalcon goes down or it has to shut down its radar in order to avoid the missile. As soon as it turns the radar on again...Pakistan should fire another missile ..Thus forcing the Phalcon to be shut down the majority of the time. Threat Neutralized!! :smokingc: :smokingc:
 

Red aRRow

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ok ok another idea. As the Phalcon has to shut down its radar in order to avoid the anti radiation FT-2000 in the meantime the JF-17s sneak in and do the Kamikaze attack. If the Phalcon does not shut down its toast anyway since the FT-2000 (with longer range of course) will turn it into a fireball.

Am I a genius or what!!??? :D :D :D
 

favad

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AOA
This is my first replies to any forum .thing is u cannot counter a phalcon system as it is there to counter u .moreover pakistan shouldnt be worried about it as i heard chinese are making a new version of ft-2000 which has a longer range of 150 km+ so this is a big plus for pk and more over since v r going to develop it locally in pk so we r going to use it as Sams and remind u all Paf has always been a defensive force ,we dont need a billion $ jet ,but we need is a good air-defense system mainly of new jets and a large no of FT-2000 ,Inshallah victory will be overs .
Pakistan zindabad
 

Oqaab

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Hello favad,

welcome to the forum. :)

Comming back to the topic.

Plzzz provide a link regarding this FT-2000 upgrade. And if its range is extended to 150 kms, it will still not be able to counter Phalcons. I mean, there are chances but its just a SAM and SAMs miss targets more. FT-2000 was selected to counter aircrafts like Su-30MKI or there are some rumours about this missile that it can also be used as a ABM but it is still not confirmed.
 

favad

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Future variants of the FT2000A will incorporate a GPS receivers to greatly increase hit accuracy when radar lock on is lost after emitter switch-off, because GPS guidance will keep the missile within a narrow box towards the last known emitter position.Future variants of the FT2000A will incorporate a GPS receivers to greatly increase hit accuracy when radar lock on is lost after emitter switch-off, because GPS guidance will keep the missile within a narrow box towards the last known emitter position.Future variants of the FT2000A will incorporate a GPS receivers to greatly increase hit accuracy when radar lock on is lost after emitter switch-off, because GPS guidance will keep the missile within a narrow box towards the last known emitter position. also further details Inshallah soon with links .
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
 

favad

New Member
Hi Oqaab whcih statment r u refering to ,any ways u found the link thats good ,plz tell me if there are chances of making Airdefense or acquiring one and can any one tell if ft-2000 b used as an anti missile or as a shield against ballistic missiles
 

Oqaab

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I dont think FT-2000 can be used against ballistic missiles. S-300 or S-400 may have this capability but FT-2000 cant do it.
 

Red aRRow

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Oqaab said:
I dont think FT-2000 can be used against ballistic missiles. S-300 or S-400 may have this capability but FT-2000 cant do it.
Hard to say Oqaab. Because even though the FT-2000 is an ARM (Anti Radiation Missile) and would not be able to detect and intercept ballistic missiles on its own (since ballistic missiles don't have radars or any EM radiation) but still the FT-2000 can rely on its ground based HT-233 phased array radar to detect an incoming ballistic missile and to guide it to the target. After all this is the principle on which the S-300/400 rely upon. I don't see why it cannot be used here also. What do you say??
 

umair

Peace Enforcer
In my opinion we should go for a combo of FT2000& the SU 27 armed with A-A9s. ? about SU27 availability, we should once again try to get the flankers at $8-10 million a pop from Ukraine. The plan would be 2 get the phalcon to shut it's plate by launching an FT200. Once it's radar is of the flankers could rushin, get a lock on the carrying plane&launch the AA9s which have a range of about 105kt miles& turn &run using full afterburn.
 

favad

New Member
AoA
Umair bahi in my view if v r getting su-27 thats a good news at this rate,but dont u think like Americans if u want to buy some thing i.e from turkey or any f-16 opertaing nation u need American approval dont uthink it is optimistic to think Ukraine which is making su-27 dont they need russias approval and Russia wont sell us unless Indians tells them to do Which i think wont b possible forthe next 50 years or so .So this option is limited /not possible any ways in my view get some good sams heat seekers and some gripens or some f-16.
ws
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
 

razhas

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Assalam o alaekum everybody

I am a new comer to this forum....or more precisely even to any of the defencetalk forums .............

I have read this sort of discussion, i.e. regarding the US or some other “big gun(dd)†supplying or approving this kind of military hardware or of that kind to India or to Pakistan or etc etc , many a times both at your forums or at pakistanidefence forums...........

many of my brothers really seem pretty worried at what the US or some other “big gun(dd)†might do or might not do..........well neither the US nor the touts backed by the US are gods.......... and al -hamdolillah we as muslims do not believe in any such "gods'............


as far as the military strategy and tactic is concerned ............ in the absence of an early warning system, our forces may look vulnerable...... but then there are means and ways to convert your weaknesses into strengths................. and above all making best use of your own strong points........that’s what makes good soldiers the best........

and the best virtue of it all is the desire for shahadat and no fear of death of kith and kin or even own........ no matter "they" have advanced planes with greater BVR capability and operational range and reach........... no matter they have planes in greater numbers...... no matter they have awacs................ just like what Shamael has suggested…….e.g. if two or four or six or ten of our ghazis in the formation attain the status of shaheeds while providing cover for the third or fifth or seventh or eleventh shaheen ghazi who strikes right in the heart of the enemy .........and no matter after doing so also attains shahdat........... then the only thing the enemy will remember next time he tries to go up in the air, is that he will not be able to return to his base no matter how advanced or "stealthy" a plane he is flying.......... and if anybody really knows anything about fighting a war, then a jittery soldier is the last thing that an armed force would like to have in its ranks..........


and i would also like to register my utter disgust regarding the views of some .......... these views portray china as a very low profile backward and technologically poor country from whose military hardware and technology Pakistan should distance itself or should not regard as first class...........

first of all if you say or even think about your benefactor in such a manner then not only will you disgrace yourself as an ungrateful and uncivilized nation , but will also invite ALLAH's wrath upon yourself, as he does not like the ppl who would not respect and regard their benefactors.........

and only if such ppl have been looking at the history of china in the distant and recent past (particularly in the 20th century as it is relatively well documented) then it will become as clear as it could be that china has always been a center of cultural as well as technological prowess and also a nation with dignified stance………………and at times despite having relatively inferior or no matching technology or ability, have very well defended itself and held its head high…………………..no wonder we do not pay much attention to our own religion………according to a very famous hadeeth demonstrating the importance of “Ilmâ€, china is mentioned as a destination for the seekers of “Ilm†…………….and as we all know if it were to be the “ Ilm ad Deen†or knowledge of the religion then there was no Islam in China on the advent of ISalm in Arabia………………..


So my dear friends and brothers…………………….. hold your heads high in front of the foe and bowed in front of the God ALMIGHTY ALLAH subhan wa taalaa and just keep your faith only and only in him and be nice and loving to the benefactors he has provided us with………….


.....ghairat baree hai cheez jahaan e tag o dau mein.................... (iqbal (R.A))


....sher kee aik din kee zindagee geedar kee sau sala zindagee say behtar hai......(tipu sultan (R.A))
 

webmaster

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Razhas, please don't post same reply three times. If you want to discuss something, please open a new thread and get down with it. :)

Thanks
 
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