Grumpy Old Man
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Not to mention the 8 submarines they plan to have by 2030.. Quickly going from a respectable small navy to one decent sized tough one.That adds up to six MKS-180 (F126?), four F125, three F124 & 10 K130/K131.
Then again how much better off would Australia be if we had done similar and simply ordered an evolved FFG-7 instead of the ANZACs, or a second batch of AWDs without mucking around with long procurements? The FFGs are cheaper to sustain than the ANZACs while delivering greater capability and reportedly greater survivability and I can't help but wonder if we went straight from Newcastle to an evolved but still very similar ship if they could have been bought for the same price or less than an ANZAC.and a brave move.... (from a governance and oversight perspective?)
Germany to Skip Tender for 1.5 Billion Euro Warship Purchase â€“ gCaptain
The additional 2 submarines are being fasttracked. They were originally announced for 2030 but will now be procured faster as part of a joint German-Norwegian submarine procurement contract.Not to mention the 8 submarines they plan to have by 2030.. Quickly going from a respectable small navy to one decent sized tough one.
And compared to CIR, the newest service of the Bundeswehr that is planned to have as many soldiers as the navy in five years. At least if it goes as currently envisioned.The navy plays second fiddle compared to the army and air force in such an event.
Contract for those additional K130 should be negotiated within the next two weeks. And will likely amount to €2 billion instead of €1.5 billion.and a brave move.... (from a governance and oversight perspective?)
One liners by newbies are not acceptable. When a Mod or a senior member starts a thread, as in this case, with a one liner it is generally for an obvious reason.Got to stop one liners, no?
Funding for the five additional K130 corvettes was signed off by the budget committee on wednesday.Contract for those additional K130 should be negotiated within the next two weeks. And will likely amount to €2 billion instead of €1.5 billion.
Budget committee also got an information package that wednesday on the planned U212CD procurement. Planned cost on the German side is 1.85 billion Euro, although - within the "cooperation package" - that also includes procurement of NSM missiles for 17 ships. Construction funding for the submarines will be requested from the committee in 2019, first delivery planned in 2027.Not to mention the 8 submarines they plan to have by 2030..
That was my initial thought but then I was told the ANZACs, for instance, were fitted with tactical length, leaving SM-2 and VLASROC as options, which got me wondering. I have been trying to find a 20+ year old article that discussed the RAN DDG/FFG replacement options that mentioned the F-123 to see if it has any additional information.They're ASW frigates built for Sea Sparrow, replaced by ESSM. I doubt if they have more than self-defence length.
Thanks for that. I recall reading something years ago that actually broke down the various mod numbers into type / length but haven't been able to find it and can't even remember if it was on a website, in a book or magazine.F123 has self-defense length Mk41 Mod 3 to my knowledge, with a Mk220 MLC *.
F124 has tactical length Mk41 Mod 10.
* necessary to fire NSSM in Mk41, transplanted from Mk48. Only Germany, Turkey and Australia used these.
Supposedly USNI's Combat Fleets by Eric Wertheim claims otherwise for F123, giving it a tactical-length Mk41 "Mod 4" (otherwise unknown) with ability to expand the installation to 32 cells.