F-111 vs JH-7
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Damn pigeon, wait, what sort of pigeon are we talking about, dusty, plain, feral, afep?
And the silvery is almost extinct itself, and then, what sort of hawk to u propose, you can't go around saying a pigeon can defeat a hawk, its proposturus, i demand facts, does the pigeon have a numbers advantage over the hawk, or could it pick off all its attackers
For those of you just joining us, the topic has gone off track for a reason, ours is better, but the world won't let us debate the plus and minus of our sport, Bird fighting, much like cock fighting but with flying allowed, we're just ordinary people damn it!
And the silvery is almost extinct itself, and then, what sort of hawk to u propose, you can't go around saying a pigeon can defeat a hawk, its proposturus, i demand facts, does the pigeon have a numbers advantage over the hawk, or could it pick off all its attackers
For those of you just joining us, the topic has gone off track for a reason, ours is better, but the world won't let us debate the plus and minus of our sport, Bird fighting, much like cock fighting but with flying allowed, we're just ordinary people damn it!
you are not really comparing the same type of planes. JH-7 is more of a fighter than F-111. For example, its T/W ratio would be better and maneuverability would be better and there is even possibility that it will be armed with PL-12 in the future. It's in the class of su-24 and Tornado IDS and similar planes.
As for range/payload, JH-7 is actually not that bad. It has a combat radius of 1650 km at a load of 6500 kg using only internal fuel. With a lighter load and external fuel tank, I don't see why it can't achieve the combat radius of F-111.
Also, its usage is not the same. The naval version can fire YJ-91 ARM and YJ-83 AShM. The air force version is used to replace Q-5s currently in plaaf, so that should give you an idea of its role. Within plaaf, it has been mentionned that the precision strike capability of JH-7A is better than that of su-30mkk.
As for avionics, does anyone here know what kind of avionics JH-7 use? Has anyone seen its cockpit?
As for range/payload, JH-7 is actually not that bad. It has a combat radius of 1650 km at a load of 6500 kg using only internal fuel. With a lighter load and external fuel tank, I don't see why it can't achieve the combat radius of F-111.
Also, its usage is not the same. The naval version can fire YJ-91 ARM and YJ-83 AShM. The air force version is used to replace Q-5s currently in plaaf, so that should give you an idea of its role. Within plaaf, it has been mentionned that the precision strike capability of JH-7A is better than that of su-30mkk.
As for avionics, does anyone here know what kind of avionics JH-7 use? Has anyone seen its cockpit?
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Actually, no. F-111 is a fighter-turned-strike plane, though it carries no air-to-air armament. JH-7, on the other hand, is a strike plane with very limited air-to-air capability (the J actually has little meaning here). And, no, JH-7 does NOT carry PL-12 BVR air to air missile. Its air to air armament is limited to PL-5E. JH-7 only has an EagleEye terrain following radar with limited range and no BVR capability. F-111 is superior in my opinion, even though its more than a decade older than JH-7 and about 3 decades older than the latest JH-7A, which is capable of firing PL-12 due to its JL-10A radar (which has a range of about 100 km against fighters) but is not armed with it and has 2 AL-31 engines giving it more speed but is not a fighter in any sense of the word due to its lack of agility.
JH-7 currently carries both PL-5E and 8, although it uses no HMS. You do realize that JH-7's avionics can easily be upgraded to JH-7A, right? There is a JH-7G standard (basically the second JH-7 regiment) that is using the old JH-7 airframe, but with JH-7A avionics. They not only have the capability, but have been shown in official mockups with PL-12. But that's not their role in pla.sunjerem said:
Also, it does not have AL-31, it uses Spey engine. As for this lack of agility, do you know what its agility is?
lol, I never stated anywhere JH-7 is better or that I will kick you out for arguing with me. Check the places I moderated in the past, you will see I have never used my moderator power to stop any conversation (no matter how heated they get). So, I suggest that you stop throwing around accusations.sunjerem said:
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JH-7 is called a "fighter-bomber" but really its a strike plane. its not much of a fighter armed with only 2 wing-tip short-range AA missiles. F-117 is also a strike plane that replaced the F-111 (actually F of F-117 and F-111 was supposed to stand for "fighter").Big-E said:
the F prefix in the F-111 is almost meaningless. As the only user left is the RAAF then any assessments need to be held against RAAF AUP F-111c's (a completely different beast to the USAF platforms).sunjerem said:
The RAAF F-111's were never fighters. They were strike platforms and directly replaced Canberra B2 bombers for the same role. Their parent squadrons are historical bomber squadrons - prev Canberras, prev Lincolns. (not a fighter to be seen amongst that lot!)
I suggest that you have a look at the AUP mod list for the RAAF F-111c's before comparing it to the JH-7.
Its a no brainer.
how does the f111 compare to the backfire? i believe it would be more reasonable to compare the f111 to the backfire as both are strike platforms ,with similiar weights and payload capabilities(also i feel that they both look very much similiar),whereas the jh-7 is a fighter bomber.
also i would like to know if there is a maritime strike version of the f-111 and what are its anti shipping missiles ?
also i believe that the australians are planning to retire their f111,if so what is intended to be the f111's replacement?
also i would like to know if there is a maritime strike version of the f-111 and what are its anti shipping missiles ?
also i believe that the australians are planning to retire their f111,if so what is intended to be the f111's replacement?