Embraer Strikes India down.

[Elite Brain]

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NEWDELHI: It was meant to be a simple purchase of five Embraer executive jets for VIP use. But when a seven-member Indian Air Force team landed in Brazil to take delivery, it was told the jets couldn’t be handed over because of US instructions that required India to agree to not flying the jets to 13 (apparently blacklisted) countries: China, North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, Cuba, Myanmar, Belarus, Somalia, Haiti, Liberia, and Sudan.​

India’s response was: "The conditions are not acceptable to us."

India had signed a contract for purchase of the jets from Brazil at an estimated cost of around Rs 700 crore. Three of these were to be delivered in August this year. According to defence ministry records, "The contract required the customer to provide end-user certificates whenever required by M/s Embraer for obtaining import licences... this was forwarded to them on December 1, 2004."

But the ministry appears to have not taken note of a condition that was added later and communicated by Embraer on June 30 that guidelines from the US department of state made it mandatory for countries buying aircraft fitted with what is known as integrated electronic standby instruments to sign an undertaking not to fly these jets to the countries listed earlier.

 

[Elite Brain]

In 2004,There was a notification sent to the US congress , by the Pentagon of a possible sale for an Advanced early warning system to be installed on 3 Aircraft used by indian heads of state. This system detects any incoming missiles and missile launches in a 500 mile raduis . Anyone have any info if this sale actually went through and is now equiped on the 3 Embraer jets?? :coffee

 

[aaaditya]

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NEWDELHI: It was meant to be a simple purchase of five Embraer executive jets for VIP use. But when a seven-member Indian Air Force team landed in Brazil to take delivery, it was told the jets couldn’t be handed over because of US instructions that required India to agree to not flying the jets to 13 (apparently blacklisted) countries: China, North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, Cuba, Myanmar, Belarus, Somalia, Haiti, Liberia, and Sudan.​

India’s response was: "The conditions are not acceptable to us."

India had signed a contract for purchase of the jets from Brazil at an estimated cost of around Rs 700 crore. Three of these were to be delivered in August this year. According to defence ministry records, "The contract required the customer to provide end-user certificates whenever required by M/s Embraer for obtaining import licences... this was forwarded to them on December 1, 2004."

But the ministry appears to have not taken note of a condition that was added later and communicated by Embraer on June 30 that guidelines from the US department of state made it mandatory for countries buying aircraft fitted with what is known as integrated electronic standby instruments to sign an undertaking not to fly these jets to the countries listed earlier.

well that is very old news and the problem has now been resolved.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-29T183952Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-214288-1.xml:coffee

 

[Elite Brain]

Whats the classified electronic equipment installed on these jets, do you know?

 

[aaaditya]

Whats the classified electronic equipment installed on these jets, do you know?

well if i knew then they wouldnt be classified would they,though i guess they are electronic countermeasure equipments and missile decoy systems.:coffee

 

[Salman78]

But the ministry appears to have not taken note of a condition that was added later and communicated by Embraer on June 30 that guidelines from the US department of state made it mandatory for countries buying aircraft fitted with what is known as integrated electronic standby instruments to sign an undertaking not to fly these jets to the countries listed earlier.

So if VIP jets ordered by india from Embraer were supposidly equipped with american ECM/decoy equipment then shouldnt the indians know before hand of the restrictions that come along with them before flying all the way to Brazil to take delivery? ..

Passenger jets do not come with ECM/decoy equipment by default. That has to be on customer's request.

 

[Elite Brain]

Yeah youre right, the indies bought the system in 2004, Congress was notified of the possible sale by the Pentagon. The thing is......im afraid these aircraft are going to be used for military use, just like everything else the indies buy from the US. I'll try to get more info on the ECM system that was aquired. :coffee

 

[aaaditya]

Yeah youre right, the indies bought the system in 2004, Congress was notified of the possible sale by the Pentagon. The thing is......im afraid these aircraft are going to be used for military use, just like everything else the indies buy from the US. I'll try to get more info on the ECM system that was aquired. :coffee

this aircraft is meant to be used for transportation of vip's like the primeminister and the president even pakistan also has similiar aircrafts(india is using this aircraft to replace a 747 ).these aircrafts are luxury aircrafts and cannot be used for combat purposes.:coffee