yasin_khan
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Do China induct any air craft carrier in its naval force to become blue sea navy?
do China induct any Air Craft Carrier in next 5-10 years?
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My answer to the question is unlikely. Aircraft carriers are not just a ship you built and then you become a blue water navy. You'll nedd to build an escort fleet+support ship. The cost of building a single battlegroup is huge, and requires highly trained personal. Both these things China lacks, especially personal training. If China does plan to build a carrier you'll see they will try to build up their escort fleet first, like air defence DDGs and ASW frigates.
yasin_khan
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i think they have build new ddgs and they are also building or buying ADS.
These few ships are hardly what i call an capable escort fleet.
First the "Air defence" Type 052C DDG only carrys 32 surface to air missile onboard. Relatively a small number compare to U.S the 56 SM-2 on an Arleigh Burke Class DDG and Ticonderoga class. Which means the target it's able to intercept is significantly less. Besides the SM-2 missiles, both Ticonderoga and Arleigh Burke are equip with Evolved Seasparrow Missile which is specially designed to intercept anti-ship missiles.
Second the "Anti ship" Type 052B DDG only carrys 16 C-803 supersonic anti-ship missile. Apparently 8 missiles isn't gonna get you anywhere when you attack an U.S battle group.
Third 054A are not an air defence FFG, because its surface to air missile system is the HQ-7, with maxium range of 20km. How do you plan to provide an effective air defence capability to the fleet when your missile can only reach so far?? The truth is 054 are designed to be cost effective ASW vessel equipped with and improved Yu-7 Torpedoes(MK-46).
and last, only 2 052B and 2 052C along with 1 054 are in service with the south sea fleet. Besides the problems with the vessel, you also got a number problem. To built an effective navy China will need at least several times the current number of these ships.
First the "Air defence" Type 052C DDG only carrys 32 surface to air missile onboard. Relatively a small number compare to U.S the 56 SM-2 on an Arleigh Burke Class DDG and Ticonderoga class. Which means the target it's able to intercept is significantly less. Besides the SM-2 missiles, both Ticonderoga and Arleigh Burke are equip with Evolved Seasparrow Missile which is specially designed to intercept anti-ship missiles.
Second the "Anti ship" Type 052B DDG only carrys 16 C-803 supersonic anti-ship missile. Apparently 8 missiles isn't gonna get you anywhere when you attack an U.S battle group.
Third 054A are not an air defence FFG, because its surface to air missile system is the HQ-7, with maxium range of 20km. How do you plan to provide an effective air defence capability to the fleet when your missile can only reach so far?? The truth is 054 are designed to be cost effective ASW vessel equipped with and improved Yu-7 Torpedoes(MK-46).
and last, only 2 052B and 2 052C along with 1 054 are in service with the south sea fleet. Besides the problems with the vessel, you also got a number problem. To built an effective navy China will need at least several times the current number of these ships.
Yes you are rite. BTW, I don't want to see any future conflicts between China and any country, because China needs time and stable enviroment for its economic development. Financially, we don't want to wast money. Militarily, we only want Taiwan back, that is all. So probably, we don't need AC.
yasin_khan
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nice pics but i think it is not picture form.
nice pics but i think it is not picture form.
If ur talkin about india sirri, ur wrong. The sprately islands already have biological weapons as well as a military base and are well within reach of the PLAAF. so its already theres no shame about it, might is right. and as for Taiwan, well i dont see how it would benefit the chinese tp wage such a costly war , but then what good would it do to fight over kashmir once its independent? get my point right. Its more of a psycological cause rather than a strategic one.
doggychow14
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:eek http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/AORLST2.jpg
i dunno. i came across this pic. it seems it has an angled deck AND a ski jump. dunno if it was a russian carrier that was made into parks. but its a pic
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i dunno. i came across this pic. it seems it has an angled deck AND a ski jump. dunno if it was a russian carrier that was made into parks. but its a pic
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1. Even the 052 DDG only carry 32 SAM, but sure have supply ship around to support the DDG. Do tell me how Indian protect their carrier?Pathfinder-X said:
2. 16 C803 logically can sink 12-16 ships around 8000 tons replacement class DDG. So how many ship in US battle group? By the way, the C-803 on the DDG will not going to strike the battle group but for self-defence. If for strike, it will be better using bomber take off from the carrier.
3. Maybe the HQ-7 SAM range only 20km, but it got protection from the fighters from the carrier for engage missile or fighter beyond 20km.
4. Ya, maybe now China only have few modern DDG and FFG, but for the next 5 to 10 years who know how many they will have?
Deltared075
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But China build thing fast...srirangan said:
Try to compare the PLAN now with 5 years ago.
How did you come to the conclusion for point 2??Deltared075 said:
As for point 4, you cannot build new vessels at a fast rate and expect to train them (the crews) properly for combat in the same time frame.
China doesn't have a modern naval history, she doesn't run dissimilar combat events and has yet to demonstrate that she can deliver logistics to a fleet in a combat event (in fact she has never done it). Logistics are the largest single determinant for the outcome of a protracted battle - not shiny bits of equipment
As a combat navy she is certainly incapable of taking on the Indian Navy - even for the next 5 years. Remember that the Indian Navy is also going through a process of construction and replacement. She has a far superior submarine fleet, and with the purchase of the Scorpene she is more than capable of taking out a Kilo and Song.
The Scorpene is a significantly better platform than a 635 Kilo.
Whoever gets their logistics right first will be the most likely dominant power. It is the glaringly clear message that the US has shown since 1861. The English, French and Germans recognised that in 1861, everyone saw the power of their logistics and production capability in WW1 and WW2, the Russians recognised that in the 50's.
Whoever still fails to see it needs to go back to military college to start from the beginning again.
doggychow14
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china has certainly the capablity of taking on the Indian navy...China has recently built a new Yuan submarine which is a kilo diravative. china has built the 052C DDG which has an aegis type radar. china is currently constructing the 093 and 094 nuclear submarines. yes India may have aircraft carriers. but they are mostly old Russian ones. actually come to think of it all of India's advanced subs and surface ships are from Russia where China builds there own. and i believe India has not recieved the scorpene subs yet. and please explain why you believe the Indian Navy is more capable than the CHinese navy
i think wat he means is that China is developing fast :?
i think wat he means is that China is developing fast :?
1) You got time to re-supply in a middle of a naval engagement with U.S carrier battle groups??Deltared075 said:
2) 16 C-803 can guarantee a 100% hit ratio?? You forgot to take the Ticonderoga's and Aleigh Burke's into the equation. A single U.S battle group can track over 600 targets at the same time. you think 16 supersonic missile can get anywhere near it??
3)You are talking like China DO have a carrier when they haven't even start building it
4) Yes i see china becoming a strong regional navy in the next 5 to 10 years, but not yet blue water. A powerful navy would take several decades to build up.
doggychow14
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we DO NOT know if china is building a carrier or not. China is very secretive. they might be building 1 or they might not be building 1. no1 on this forum knows for sure
No, but whoever is manning the KH-11 station will.doggychow14 said:
China has bought 3 CV hulls over the last 20 years. They are 3 completely different types of vessels with different bunkerage requirements.
Building a platform to launch planes is easy - getting the bunkerage configuration right is much much harder - especially as it means that it effects your entire battle doctrine.
You'd have to be completely optimistic to think that they would not be looking at a CV/LHA when their entire land force structure since Desert Storm has been emphasised on rapid deployment work (eg the Dadu units)
They're not going to say hello to the Spratlys in a Type 52 and an AOR.