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cyber warfare and attacks

Discussion in 'Cybersecurity' started by gf0012-aust, Apr 1, 2017.

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  1. John Fedup

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    A detailed story by Bloomberg and vigorous denials by Amazon and Apple. Given the financial implications for Apple and Amazon, how could their response be anything other than vigorous denial? That being said, GCHQ's response seems to support their denials. Certainly given the seriousness of this story, an investigation needs to be done to resolve this matter asap.
     
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    the reason we didn't heard more from CNN or other news, probably because US government already deny it, and most expert have doubt over it. I think at some point bloomberg misunderstood something. If china has the ability to manufacture microchip size of pinhead, and has the ability to do what bloomberg claim, then they have no issue to compete with major chip maker such as Intel/AMD/Xilinx, the fact their chip is still generations behind modern chip shows they dont have that capability yet.

    Making SPI/IC interface that small, sure, it can be done, but know what part of BIO/RAM bit file to modify and replace thats beyond current hardware capability. Remember those BITS are generated from compiler operated in an OS environment, to reverse that process and know what those bits means, you need run something similar, not possible via Only Hardware that small.


    U.S. government sides with Apple and Amazon, effectively denying Bloomberg ‘spy chip’ report

     
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    Again, this is a serious issue. It needs investigation. If the Bloomberg story is totally wrong, how did this happen? Were they setup or incompetent?
     
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    look like Bloomberg story is false, perhaps from misunderstand at some point

    Apple's Tim Cook calls for retraction on Chinese spy chip story: 'There's no truth to this'

     
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    May not be so clear cut. It's a classic he said she said. Would it not be Apple protecting itself? I am not saying that they are not telling the truth but they do have strong motivation for the outright denying of the Bloomberg story, because if they admitted that it was correct, then the possibility exists that their customers would abandon them because of perceived product security flaws. Stories like that have caused company collapses before regardless of whether the story was factually correct or not, so I do not blame Apple for outright denying the story.

    Bloomberg would not have printed that story without reasonable evidence due to US criminal libel law and the US tendency to sue at the drop of a hat - lawyers at 10 paces, so somewhere in between the two stories there will be the actual facts of the matter.
     
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    I agree wrt the legal issues and it may also be in GCHQ as well as the NSA's interest to downplay this to the point we may never know the truth. Both organizations will be checking everything, I have no doubt about that.
     
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    maybe, but as an engineer my self, its almost impossible to pull of hardware hack that do what they said. furthermore security expert from UK and US deny it too.

    I doubt apple/amazon would lie in this case, especially it jeopardize national security if they do so. also if its true, then the culprit is china, not apple/amazon, by lying it, it will just make situation much worse.


    here is another article from supermicro

    Chip company says it would be 'practically impossible' for hackers to breach Apple and Amazon

     
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    Bloomberg stands by China microchip article as denials and skepticism mount

     
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    This "Atlantic Magazine" article discusses the divide between Silicon Valley and the Pentagon and why it is a threat to national security. Clearly China and Russia don't have this problem. The reference about Google helping China while ignoring US government business is beyond hypocritical IMO. Perhaps a new tax on anal behaviour like this would have shareholders smartening up Google's board. The ratio of engineers to lawyers in the Senate is appalling, one frigging guy! I guess this is flaw is best illustrated by Orin Hatch's question to Facebook's CEO, how can you make money when you don't have user fees?........duh. Sure hope something can be done about this.

    The Growing Gulf Between Silicon Valley and Washington - The Atlantic
     
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    A very interesting article and highlights just how far the difference is in ideological thinking even in ones own sphere of generations, I can attest to that sort of thinking, tech has certainly made life more comfortable growing up from the 60/70's but I'm still at a loss with all the functions on my mobile phone and don't understand the need, but I'm still amazed in this day and age the my mum still has a banking passport she uses at her local bank (the only down side she can only use it at her local bank)
     
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    Off topic, but here in NZ bank books have been history for ages. It's all electronic now and my mum in her 90's has to use her EFTPOS (Electronic Funds Transfer @ Point Of Sale) card and tele-banking etc. She has a cheque book but that hardly gets used now. Getting her to use a cellphone was a mission in itself. She got her stubborn up and working and took ages to out stubborn her. :D
     
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    Same situation here in Canada, all non-cash transactions by smart cards. As for mother, uses her card but prefers my sister to handle the banking. Cellphones....a bridge too far.
     
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    This article from DefenseOne rates cyber attack speeds. Interesting how much faster the Russians are compared to China as is NK’s capability. I guess a more realistic measurement would be the quantity and usefulness of the information hacked.

    You Have 19 Minutes to React If the Russians Hack Your Network
     
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    Another depressing piece of cyber news. So much for cashless societies. Show me the money! With almost 2 billion stolen from these organizations (publically admitted, likely higher), I am beginning to think some money intended for pointy ended stuff needs to be diverted to cyber attack/defence.

    Once hailed as unhackable, blockchains are now getting hacked
     
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