Coalition Defence Policy for ADF

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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Coalition to tear up Labor's defence blueprint | The Australian

Slap in the face for most conservatives ;) (not me).

I hate to leave this short but I actually have no idea what to say.
Either way the poor old sub squadrons continue to be a political football.

The Opposition seems to be oblivious of the fact that it wasn't RAN who came up with 12 in the first place - but that perhaps they should look at the strategic reasoning behind why more than 6 were identified.

Maybe, just maybe they should ask why RAN's having crewing and sustainment problems - and if they're honest they'll see that their own hands are just as black from poor decision making.
 

Wooki

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Either way the poor old sub squadrons continue to be a political football.

The Opposition seems to be oblivious of the fact that it wasn't RAN who came up with 12 in the first place - but that perhaps they should look at the strategic reasoning behind why more than 6 were identified.

Maybe, just maybe they should ask why RAN's having crewing and sustainment problems - and if they're honest they'll see that their own hands are just as black from poor decision making.
You did notice that the gentleman talking about subs also is nervous about actually having to handle the issue? Key phrases like "capability shortfall" etc..

"...This whole thing is a recipe for worse than disaster - it's a capability shortfall..."

He has no clue himself, so chose to deflect and dive out as quickly as he could.

Why is that? I mean, really, its just a sub, right? Conceptually you would think that its easy enough to get your hands around (and it is). The white elephant is Australia's work force and I suspect that neither political party fully understands the "black art" of quantifying risk when one (1) human factor is thrown into the equation, let alone multiple HF stages that can (and will) arise from the desire to create dispersed manufacturing nodes within your submarine construction program. Ergo;

  1. Australian politicians will want to create jobs foremost
  2. Australia doesn't have the localized infrastructure to fulfill a project like this

So now, you are kind of forced to select a modular approach. modularity requires an abundance of EIE (Experience, Intuition, Education) for the customer (CofA) to be able to control costs.

So the challenge for you guys in civil service is to figure out a way where you can artificially create the environment that the local free market cannot sustain, in order to reduce overall risk of the whole venture.

Anyway, you only have to look at the f-35 program to see how a defense project can get into trouble when it stops being a "defense program" and becomes a "jobs creation" program.

I think that is the best litmus test to apply. In every future decision making process you guys will make concerning future subs, ask yourself this:

"Are we doing this to create jobs, or are we doing this to get the product?"

As you are already hamstrung by lack of critical mass for the market to naturally provide the resources you need aka: Off-The-Shelf and/or "walk-in-Talent".

DMO is (I imagine) already having a lot of fun with this very subject


cheers

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Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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I see they back flipped on that statement already :D (This opposition is ridiculous)

Stephen Smith blasts Coalition's defence policy | The Australian

Abbott overrules senator's Defence | The Australian

:/ this is weird...
The original statement from Johnston seems to fit past form, just look at the gutting defence copped from 96 until 99 when Timor ramped up.

Mulgara was cancelled, Bushmaster was almost cancelled, and the Ready Reserve was canned. The corvettes intended to replace the Fremantles were cancelled, but the project to provide helicopters from them continued ( Super Seasprite anyone?), studies to replace the then still in service DDGs were stopped while a hare brained scheme to fit AEGIS to the ANZACs was initiated. The Collins project was almost cancelled with the disastrous Upholders being seen as their replacement. There are other detrimental decisions, based on upfront cost and “this is a Labor baby” (politics rather than capability) that were also made that I am sure others will remember.

Oh the other thing was a whole host of capability was life extended until 2015, the F-18, the F-111, the FFGs, Success, Westralia, the amphibs, the M-113 etc. I think someone must have assumed we would win lotto in 2015 and be able to buy all this new gear all at once.

It wasn’t until John Howard became personally interested in defence (John Hill referred to himself as the Minister assisting the Prime Minister of Defence) that things got better.
IMHO the first five years of coalition government from 1996 were a disaster for defence.
 
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