Chinese Air Force (PLA-AF) News and Discussion

Sandhi Yudha

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Train as you fight, not so sure this is a good thing given the tensions in the region. At what point do you start to doubt a radio intercept describing a simulated attack on your vessel, at the moment of missile launch?
"Pilots of H-6 bombers could be heard in cockpit conversations confirming orders for the simulated targeting and release of anti-ship missiles against the carrier, the people said.”

So during the radio-conversations the crew got and confirm the orders, but did not fire any missiles... or did they also fired missiles but not aiming at the US Navy Carrier Battle Group?
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
"Pilots of H-6 bombers could be heard in cockpit conversations confirming orders for the simulated targeting and release of anti-ship missiles against the carrier, the people said.”

So during the radio-conversations the crew got and confirm the orders, but did not fire any missiles... or did they also fired missiles but not aiming at the US Navy Carrier Battle Group?
There doesn’t appear to be any info on whether missiles were actually fired. I suspect that is very unlikely.
 

SABRE

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"Pilots of H-6 bombers could be heard in cockpit conversations confirming orders for the simulated targeting and release of anti-ship missiles against the carrier, the people said.”

So during the radio-conversations the crew got and confirm the orders, but did not fire any missiles... or did they also fired missiles but not aiming at the US Navy Carrier Battle Group?
Well, it does say simulated/mock attack. So, they were definitely not planning on an actual attack by firing live weapons.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
2D thrust vectoring, a nice feature, but until the WS-15 engine’s performance is actually proven and has a decent shelf life, the extra feature isn’t so valuable.
 

ngatimozart

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J-20 is likely to receive 2D thrust vectoring engines in the coming years.

You are a newbie on here and one line posts are against the rules. A link to the rules is part of my signature so follow the link and read the rules.

I also note that in your request to have a post deleted you removed my green ink note. Doing such is an absolute no no and is one of the quickest ways of getting the Moderators hackles up and us into red ink mode. Don't do it again.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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J-20 is likely to receive 2D thrust vectoring engines in the coming years.

Some more good news from the Glorious People's Republic of China.
The chinese J-10 advanced multirole fighter (not with IAI Lavi technology!) has been spotted with the indigenous 100% own developed WS-10B turbofan (not with stolen technology from the CFM56-2 or AL31!).
So, this shows how reliable chinese engines are.

But J-10s with WS-10B engines already appear before 2020.
Currently the J-20 uses the Russian AL-31FM2/3 engines and is expected to transition to a more powerful WS-15 engine which many observers believe is inspired or reverse-engineered from the Russian AL-31 engine that goes into the Su-35 fighter jet.
That was actually the dumbest thing the Russians can do, deliver a small amount of their latest and most advanced operational jetfighter.

 
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swerve

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IIRC, the Russians are in a bit of a bind. They need China to buy Russian exports. Apart from raw materials, that mostly means weapons. The Chinese dangle big contracts in front of them, but will only sign up for modest initial batches & a lot of options. Many options are never exercised, but allowed to lapse. The Russians have to decide whether to lose the income from all those initial sales, & some follow-ups, & potentially sales of other stuff that China buys, but which it could get elsewhere.

The Chinese can't copy everything, BTW. For example, a high performance jet engine needs sophisticated metallurgy & manufacturing processes which mere possession of an engine doesn't give you.
 

ngatimozart

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The Chinese can't copy everything, BTW. For example, a high performance jet engine needs sophisticated metallurgy & manufacturing processes which mere possession of an engine doesn't give you.
It appears that they may now have most of the metallurgical problems under control. They're not stupid and have world class scientists and engineers, so now they are becoming less reliant upon foreign military engine technologies.
 

swerve

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Yeah, they've been working hard on the problem, just as they've worked hard on chip technology & other stuff that can't just be copied from samples, & are reckoned to have had significant success.

Plenty of clever people, as you say. One job I did a few months ago was checking some translations for a Japanese manufacturer of (among other things) machines for automated blood tests. One was about a new product - designed by their design office in China. There was a photo of the design team: geeky-looking, mostly quite young, Chinese people, in an immaculate lab, clustered around the shiny new machine they'd produced, looking very happy. It was going to join the rest of their product line in being sold around the world. I think the design office was located near at least one well-regarded university with good engineering & related departments. There are a lot more talented people like that team in China.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

I'm bit torn whether to put it in this thread, or Chinese Geopolitical thread. At one point this article talk about Chinese Fighters export, thus should be in aviation thread. However the implications also related to their Geopolitical results.

In sense the article talk on two points:
1. Chinese defense export still can't penetrate larger market asside their traditional customers,
2. With improving quality of Chinese Fighters, means it's costs more. At the same time it also make it less affordable for usual traditional users.

This means China still can't penetrate defense market on those that can afford more expensive defense items. This's due:
1. Those who can afford higher price, tend to buy from more established suppliers,
2. Those who can afford also in different side on China Geopolitical position.

This actually happened to other Chinese aviation products. Like the Airliners despite all the big and plan for C919 export, it will be uphill battle for China to sell it on export market. Similar thing what happen with their existing regional Airliners ARJ-21.

Shown when you can build it, it's not same with the ability to export it.
 
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