C-27J/ US Army

[ncart326]

Looking for any news on the JCA,as well as photos, video, as well as production line photos.

 

[God Bless USA]

We site for C27J www.c-27j.com/c-27j-for-the-jca-program and www.c-27j.ca/. I hope this helps.

 

[ncart326]

C-27j

Thank and yes that helps

 

[ncart326]

1st JCA rolling off the line

This is JCA-1. The first C-27J that the Ga National Guard will receive in September. Man I can't wait to fly in it.

 

[Marc 1]

Pity that no-one knows who is going to build them then.

 

[ncart326]

Pity that no-one knows who is going to build them then.

What do you mean? Alenia Aeronautica, with final assembly in Jax, Fla. by L-3.

 

[Marc 1]

What do you mean? Alenia Aeronautica, with final assembly in Jax, Fla. by L-3.

This:

Last week, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems President Jim Albaugh is said to have decided to pull out of the partnership to build the Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) over disagreements concerning Boeing’s work share. Boeing was in talks to establish a new production facility for the aircraft in Jacksonville, Fla. (Aerospace DAILY, June 6).

Aparently Boeing's decision to pull out is now being reviewed though

 

[ncart326]

This:

Last week, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems President Jim Albaugh is said to have decided to pull out of the partnership to build the Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) over disagreements concerning Boeing’s work share. Boeing was in talks to establish a new production facility for the aircraft in Jacksonville, Fla. (Aerospace DAILY, June 6).

Aparently Boeing's decision to pull out is now being reviewed though

Wow, did not know. Will have to look into this further. Many thanks. I have no doubt though that we will receive the 1st aircraft this fall.

 

[ROCK45]

Alenia Flies First C-27J JCA For U.S. Army

I found this and it does mention Boeing back out.

Alenia Flies First C-27J JCA For U.S. Army


Jun 17, 2008

Graham Warwick

Alenia Aeronautica has flown the first C-27J Spartan Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) for the U.S. Army at its Caselle plant in Turin, Italy.

The 40-minute first-flight on June 16 was conducted in poor weather, Alenia says, and focused on functional checks. It marks the beginning of a 70-hour flight-test and 180-hour ground-test program, the majority to be conducted at Caselle.

Alenia and prime contractor L-3 Communications was awarded a potential $2 billion contract in June 2007 for up to 78 JCAs for the Army and Air Force. Six are under contract and the first C-27J is scheduled for delivery before the end of September, with the second to be handed over in November.

In 2010, Alenia North America plans to begin JCA deliveries from a new final assembly plant to be built in Jacksonville, Fla. The aircraft will be delivered to L-3 Integrated Systems in Waco, Texas, for installation of the mission equipment.

Alenia faces the challenge of building the U.S. assembly line quickly to meet government expectations, as well as crafting an efficient process to produce the aircraft at a high rate. In an unusual turn of events recently, Boeing backed out of its partnership with Alenia over JCA (AW&ST, June 16, 2008, p.27).

Photo: Alenia Aeronautica

Link
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...ne=Alenia Flies First C-27J JCA For U.S. Army

 

[F-15 Eagle]

Why does the Army need the C-27? The USAF has over 600 C-130s, 190 C-17s and 200 C-5s.

 

[irtusk]

Why does the Army need the C-27? The USAF has over 600 C-130s, 190 C-17s and 200 C-5s.

because the Army and USAF aren't the same organization and sometimes have different priorities (ie get into pissing matches with each other), so the army wants some organic airlift of its own

(and it's closer to 500 C-130s and 130 C-5s and lots of those are old models that basically aren't flyable anymore)

 

[ROCK45]

C-27j

The US Army wants more control over how and when there assets get moved and wanted to buy something already built and in production to save on costs. I don't follow transports much what does the US Air Force currently use for transports for smaller then C-130 type missions?http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif
Question

 

[winnyfield]

The 'Spartan' is also intended to replace the US Army's C-23s so there's not a signifcant doctrinal shift.

In Iraq the C-23 takes a lot of pressure off Chinooks and ground convoys.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dwIVKlDyY"]YouTube - Alaska C23 Sherpa's flying in Iraq[/ame]

 

[ncart326]

Jca-1 Test Flight

This was the first test flight of JCA-1, flying somewhere over Italy. Hopefully we will still see the first in September. I'll be in BNCOC, so it won't matter for me. Darn.....

 

[ncart326]

First JCA arrives at Waco, Texas

Pics of first C-27J arriving at Waco, Tx.

 

[DDerrick51]

The USMC is a quarter the Army size and has approx. 80 C-130's. So why can the Army not own 54 C-27's?

 

[swerve]

The USMC is a quarter the Army size and has approx. 80 C-130's. So why can the Army not own 54 C-27's?

Because that's what the US Air Force is for. Or at least, what it's supposed to be for. There are rules which prohibit the US army from building an air force, & although I don't know of any converse rule, I expect the USAF would be prevented from having its own army. Otherwise, what's the point of the separate services?

Better questions would be "Why does the USMC have its own air transport fleet?", "Why does the USA have two distinct armies?", & "Why don't the USAF & US army agree on how the USAF should support army operations, thus rendering any thought of an army air force pointless?". And so on . . .

 

[DDerrick51]

How about this, "Why does the AF have over 250 helicopters. Why is okay for the Army to have approx 200 FW aircraft already. Just not the C-27. Still not armed."

There are rules which prohibit the US army from building an air force, & although I don't know of any converse rule, I expect the USAF would be prevented from having its own army. Otherwise, what's the point of the separate services?

You are referring to the Key West Agreement. To quote Bill Murry, “it is more of a guideline than a rule”. So if I understand you correctly, only the AF should have FW aircraft? Navy, USMC and Army should have what? I am for breaking down barriers and despise the service rivalry, but the whole reason the Army is doing this is because the AF won’t. As a curiosity, how would you break down the responsibilities between the services? I wish the AF would develop its own army. That would the Army and USMC guys out. Good discussion.

 

[swerve]

Let me get this straight - you think the USAF should have its own army? Carry that idea on a bit . . . the USAF recruits an army, then a navy, builds its own aircraft carriers to take its tactical air where it can't currently reach. The US army builds an air force & navy . . . The navy already has an air force, & used to have an army, but it seceded, so it needs a new one. The USMC has an air force, but has to borrow ships from the USN, so it should build its own navy.

You end up with four complete sets of armed forces. Crazy!

I don't care what the division of responsibilities your armed forces have, but the current mess is irritating. Why can't they get their act together? What's the point of having a DoD if it can't bang heads together & sort them out?

 

[DDerrick51]

I wish the AF would develop its own army

That was more of a lamination on the over deployment we in the Army and USMC have endured. I guess subtleties are a bit too subtle in print. However, you still did not answer my question of

"Why does the AF have over 250 helicopters. Why is okay for the Army to have approx 200 FW aircraft already. Just not the C-27. "

Again I ask, what would be your division of assets?