What BVR capability does the F-7 have ?
BVR capability
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F-7s carrying BVR missiles? Doesnt BVR capability need a really large radar? i doubt wether tht wud fit in a Mig-21. Rmmbr tht it was the lack of room 4 upgrades in the mig-21 tht was 1 of its failures.
Londo Molari
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The F-7s that Pakistan has have radars with enough range to use a BVR missile (like 50km). But Pakistan has no BVR missiles.
Once the JF-17 is armed with the SD-10, they will probably arm the F-7 with the SD-10 too.
Once the JF-17 is armed with the SD-10, they will probably arm the F-7 with the SD-10 too.
The Watcher
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I dont know where you get your info! :roll Pak recently tested its missile which is based on South african Darter!Londo Molari said:
http://defencetalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=704
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Thats true to some extent, its also depends whether a "hand off" is also capable of occurring with another asset in the comms mix. I guess the confusion lies with the status of the H4 and whether is can be handed off to another aircraft (if its a long ranging unit)umair said:
eg, if Pakistan gets AWAC's or other MMA/ASW platforms would they be able to comms "slingshot" the missile?
AIM-7Ms? i read abt tht. they were fitted on the F-16s rite? 2bad they dont show them arnd so much. :?
Londo Molari
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I meant no air to air BVR missiles, and that is also what the original post implied.
We don't have Super 530 D and we don't have AIM-7 Sparrow. Its only rumours started by people.
The Watcher
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Pakistan conducts second test firing of H-4 missile
ROBERT HEWSON Editor, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons
London
Pakistan is believed to have successfully completed a second test firing of its clandestine H-4 missile system, according to December regional media reports.
Reports of a first test emerged in April 2003, stating that the missile was fired from a Mirage III fighter aircraft and successfully destroyed a target drone.
In the April reports, the H-4 was described as an active-radar air-to-air missile (AAM) and most observers saw it as no coincidence that reports of Pakistan's programme emerged immediately following the first test of India's Astra AAM.
The latest reports describe the H-4 as an air-to-surface weapon and refer to two variants, H-4 and H-2, with a stand-off range of 120km and 60km respectively.
Pakistan Air Force Chief of Staff ACM Kaleem Saadat said in October 2003 that a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) capability was a near-term priority for the air force (JDW 8 October 2003). He said discussions were under way with China for the development of the SD-10 BVRAAM.
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ROBERT HEWSON Editor, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons
London
Pakistan is believed to have successfully completed a second test firing of its clandestine H-4 missile system, according to December regional media reports.
Reports of a first test emerged in April 2003, stating that the missile was fired from a Mirage III fighter aircraft and successfully destroyed a target drone.
In the April reports, the H-4 was described as an active-radar air-to-air missile (AAM) and most observers saw it as no coincidence that reports of Pakistan's programme emerged immediately following the first test of India's Astra AAM.
The latest reports describe the H-4 as an air-to-surface weapon and refer to two variants, H-4 and H-2, with a stand-off range of 120km and 60km respectively.
The Raptor family was developed by Denel (Kentron) under the codenames H-1, H-2 and H-3 from the late 1970s onwards. It is known that Denel has undertaken integration studies for the Raptor with the F-16 and Mirage aircraft. Pakistan's F-16s have a primary air defence tasking, while its upgraded Mirage IIIs are allocated a precision-guided munition delivery role.
Pakistan Air Force Chief of Staff ACM Kaleem Saadat said in October 2003 that a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) capability was a near-term priority for the air force (JDW 8 October 2003). He said discussions were under way with China for the development of the SD-10 BVRAAM.
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Londo Molari
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Janes is stupid.
They got their info from the same news that I read along with many other members here.
It clearly called the H-2/H-4 a BOMB, and not an air-to-air missile
They got their info from the same news that I read along with many other members here.
It clearly called the H-2/H-4 a BOMB, and not an air-to-air missile
The Watcher
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Now janes is stupid? You love to disagree on any loose end, don't you?
Now janes is stupid? You love to disagree on any loose end, don't you?
Which news would that be?
Londo Molari
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Janes has always been stupid.
it was on dawn, lemme get the link:
http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/18/top10.htm
True Awang!
Londo just tell me why would a serving Grp Captian(one of my PAF uncle's friends)) tell lies/rumors about us having Aim-7Ms.Oh and it's the R.530 not Super R.530D.
The ROSEI AND II Mirages can carry both the Super R.530 and the MICA if we choose to buy them.
The T-Darter is known as the V-4 in PAF non-menclature.The H-2 and H-4 are the Kentron MUPSOW and RAPTOR whose production rights have been acquired by Pakistan
Londo just tell me why would a serving Grp Captian(one of my PAF uncle's friends)) tell lies/rumors about us having Aim-7Ms.Oh and it's the R.530 not Super R.530D.
The ROSEI AND II Mirages can carry both the Super R.530 and the MICA if we choose to buy them.
The T-Darter is known as the V-4 in PAF non-menclature.The H-2 and H-4 are the Kentron MUPSOW and RAPTOR whose production rights have been acquired by Pakistan
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AS far as I've been able to tell, Pakistan operates 4 air to air missile types. The AIM -9 P2, the AIM -9L, the Matra R 530/550 and the PL -5. According to the Chief of the Pakistan Air Force in media reports, Pakistan has trialled various beyond visual range missiles including the T-Darter from South Africa and the Mistral Magic from France and is hoping to develop the SD-10 with China, as recently as October 2003, but reading between the lines, has yet to acquire any such system. In addition the only pictures of Pakistan F-16's I've been able to find show the jets carrying AIM -9's. The COAF also explained how the Pakistan Air Force trains at great length to negate India's advantage in the BVR category and has developed tactics to negate this advantage as much as possible. Pakistan also plans to acquire an AWACS capability "when the time is right" to help even up the disparity between the air forces. I guess oif Pakistan DOES possess the AIM -7, they acquired these missiles rather surreptitously (ie: from a "dodgy" source) and don't want to reveal the fact that they have them...
Londo Molari
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Yeah but India has not purchased a LOT of R-77s yet... even their Mig-29s still carry R-27s...Awang se said:
So even though the Mig-21s have the capability, the ones in active service are not currenty armed with any a2a BVR missiles.
Well thats different... I don't know your uncle and I don't know if you are telling the truth... but there is no proof that we have the AIM-7 or the Super 530 D.... so until I see it in the news, or read it from a respectible source, or see a picture of a PAF aircraft with these missiles, you can't expect me to believe it.
Well thats different... I don't know your uncle and I don't know if you are telling the truth... but there is no proof that we have the AIM-7 or the Super 530 D.... so until I see it in the news, or read it from a respectible source, or see a picture of a PAF aircraft with these missiles, you can't expect me to believe it.[/quote]
Londo, ur being a bit harsh here 2 the other guy. There may not be Aim-7Ms in pakistan but the daily news isnt exaclty the best place to get information from. U shud stick 2 Janes which is still No.1 or u cud try Aviation week n all those other mags if u like.
Londo, ur being a bit harsh here 2 the other guy. There may not be Aim-7Ms in pakistan but the daily news isnt exaclty the best place to get information from. U shud stick 2 Janes which is still No.1 or u cud try Aviation week n all those other mags if u like.