anti sub rockets.
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I believe we still deploy ASROC right? Certainly they are effective. I know we had a more advanced ASROC program that was cancelled. I would think, primarily, due to two reasons. #1 being the lessening of the Soviet submarine threat. #2 being the fact that while ASROC works so does the helicopter or airplane that found the submarine in the first place, AND, also is capable of delivering the same lightweight torpedo as ASROC. Or even the more capable type-50 LW torp.
Any group of USN warships is going to have numerous airborne assets available capable of delivering these torpedoes will be escorted by our own subs with heavy Mark-48 torp. So the need for ASROC has lessened. But its going to be around for awhile . We can deliver ours thru our VLS systems so i would guess any ship with VLS can deliver ASROC.
Its not that they aren't effective. Like I said, nowadays the aircraft that finds the sub can destroy it with the same type torpedo, faster and more accurately without having to launch an ASROC from a ship.
Any group of USN warships is going to have numerous airborne assets available capable of delivering these torpedoes will be escorted by our own subs with heavy Mark-48 torp. So the need for ASROC has lessened. But its going to be around for awhile . We can deliver ours thru our VLS systems so i would guess any ship with VLS can deliver ASROC.
Its not that they aren't effective. Like I said, nowadays the aircraft that finds the sub can destroy it with the same type torpedo, faster and more accurately without having to launch an ASROC from a ship.
Russian "ASROC" missiles comprise of these
SS-N-15 starfish , SS-N-16 Stallion, SS-N-27 the starfish and stalion can have ranges up to 45 miles while the SS-N-27 can have a range of around 50 miles.
However most subs detection ranges on narrowband sonar will put the submarines at the most 30 miles apart in a project 971 akula trying to find a 688i you could probably see each other at 30 miles anything beyond that and you wont see nothing.
the USN does not use ASROC any more and russian skippers dislike using these forementioned missiles because they create alot of noise when fired, as does Skhval (VA-111).
But if you detect a 688i or any other submarine 23 miles or more away from you Using these missiles is an advantage as you are out of range of there conventional torpedo's.
The MK-48-ADCAP has a range of some 27 miles at 50 knots at 23 miles an akula will detect firing of this torpedo and just hit deep and flank so by the time the torpedo gets to where the akula was the akula is about 5 miles away beyond the reach of the MK-48-ADCAP.
And while this is going on what are you doing ? your evading the torpedo fired at you from that missile, and the top range of it is around 15 miles if it lands within 8 miles of you even hitting flank you wont get out of its way.
SS-N-15 starfish , SS-N-16 Stallion, SS-N-27 the starfish and stalion can have ranges up to 45 miles while the SS-N-27 can have a range of around 50 miles.
However most subs detection ranges on narrowband sonar will put the submarines at the most 30 miles apart in a project 971 akula trying to find a 688i you could probably see each other at 30 miles anything beyond that and you wont see nothing.
the USN does not use ASROC any more and russian skippers dislike using these forementioned missiles because they create alot of noise when fired, as does Skhval (VA-111).
But if you detect a 688i or any other submarine 23 miles or more away from you Using these missiles is an advantage as you are out of range of there conventional torpedo's.
The MK-48-ADCAP has a range of some 27 miles at 50 knots at 23 miles an akula will detect firing of this torpedo and just hit deep and flank so by the time the torpedo gets to where the akula was the akula is about 5 miles away beyond the reach of the MK-48-ADCAP.
And while this is going on what are you doing ? your evading the torpedo fired at you from that missile, and the top range of it is around 15 miles if it lands within 8 miles of you even hitting flank you wont get out of its way.
They still doKAPITAIN said:
Skval has substantially more problems than just detection at launch. The americans were tooling around with cavitating torpedoes approx 10 years before Skval - and went through similar issues. They however abandoned them as there were more efficient ways to improve existing torpedo tech.KAPITAIN said:
Those figures are so way off actual performance that they have little relevance in a real world argument. Huge Hint: Never take published data as empirical. Nobody publishes real data.KAPITAIN said:
Yes, I am positive. I know for a fact they are deployed on our Ticonderoga class cruisers. However they can be, or can be deployed, on any warship with a VLS system. I am assuming they arent deployed on more ship because any USN CBG is going to have a heavy escorting ASW air componant capable of attacking enemy submarines with the excellent MK-50 LWT.
OK, so you are speaking of a WW-ll type "hedgehog" ASW mortar? The one with numerous,small ASW bomblets that are set to explode at a certain depth? Or is this some other type? Im not very familiar with non-Western warships...............OK, I see it on the older Chinese ships. The type 62 "5 tubed" fixed mortars. They list them as A/S mortars so it looks like they dont even have a "hedgehog" type capability.
The frigates Im seeing them on were designed in the 60's so I couldnt tell you what purpose they serve.
The frigates Im seeing them on were designed in the 60's so I couldnt tell you what purpose they serve.
As I understand it, the Chinese and Soviet/Russian ASW rocktes, like the RBU series, actually have several uses.
First, they are ASW weapons, meant for use against submarines. I don't think they are particularly useful and relelvent in this role these days.
Second, the Russian models are also supposed to be an effective defense against incoming torpedoes.
Third, the Chinese have reported their ASW rocket launchers may also have a shore-bombardment capabilty, for supporting amphibious assault operations.
First, they are ASW weapons, meant for use against submarines. I don't think they are particularly useful and relelvent in this role these days.
Second, the Russian models are also supposed to be an effective defense against incoming torpedoes.
Third, the Chinese have reported their ASW rocket launchers may also have a shore-bombardment capabilty, for supporting amphibious assault operations.
I was under the impression that they were also used in an associated role as anti-swimmer weapons in a "safe harbour" role.Jezza said:
I question the utility of these for ASW work - and subs don't hang around the shallows unless they are minis or ASDS type platforms.
against a modern sub? I'd have to say that IMO they're not going to be much use unless you get the "golden bb" shot in.zoolander said:
they obviously regard them as viable supplementary weapons. against an unsophisticated submarine force they still have relevance, and for the other roles mentioned, they provide additional firepower.zoolander said:
they're a response approach that was abandoned by western navies in the 70's though.
No they are not useless, most subs that come inside terratorial waters are small, and more often than not conventionaly powerd.
The RBU series of rockets are good for keeping a submarine pinned down untill heavier ASW units arrive, The Grisha and Petya frigates are well suited for sniffing out forign deisel submarines in terratorial waters it just takes something like the Udaloys to acctualy flush them out.
The RBU series of rockets are good for keeping a submarine pinned down untill heavier ASW units arrive, The Grisha and Petya frigates are well suited for sniffing out forign deisel submarines in terratorial waters it just takes something like the Udaloys to acctualy flush them out.