I read ESSM too. Apparently they saw what the Australians did with their OHP re: ESSM and have decided to copy (although without the expensive upgrade program :wink: ). Although I can only quote Wiki for this, it sounds right given the need to keep the Mk13 because they cannot buy SM-2.
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I have one question to ask,
According to Jane's Handbook Turkish Navy Meko Frigates and Fast Attack Crafts has 8 canisters of Harpoon Missiles. However in reality frigates has 2x2 canisters ( total 4 Harpoons) and fast attack craft has 2 single canisters ( total 2 Harpoons)
So the question is, where are there rest of the canisters? Either the specs are saying the potential max number of canisters installed on the platforms or the Navy has places the rest of the canisters as reserve on the land.
If the Fast Attack Craft indeed had 8 canisters each, a flotilla of 4 craft would be a formidable strike force.
According to Jane's Handbook Turkish Navy Meko Frigates and Fast Attack Crafts has 8 canisters of Harpoon Missiles. However in reality frigates has 2x2 canisters ( total 4 Harpoons) and fast attack craft has 2 single canisters ( total 2 Harpoons)
So the question is, where are there rest of the canisters? Either the specs are saying the potential max number of canisters installed on the platforms or the Navy has places the rest of the canisters as reserve on the land.
If the Fast Attack Craft indeed had 8 canisters each, a flotilla of 4 craft would be a formidable strike force.
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Thanks a lot, I always wondered that,Afaik they are in reserve , to be installed when needed. Some navy personnel i chatted had said the installation process takes a short time so no need to wear them out by keeping them installed out in sea conditions.
however does the sea condition effect the missile inside the canister in long term?
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It is quite common for navies to send ships out with only part of the SSMs. The Italian Lupo and Artigliere FFG for instance can carry 16 Teseo Mk2 SSMs, a feat only former Soviet ships matched. Except that on average the Artigliere carry 4 SSMs only (and the Lupo are now flying the Peruvian flag)
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True, and the USN has been deploying some of its Burkes with 4 Harpoons rather than 8.It is quite common for navies to send ships out with only part of the SSMs. The Italian Lupo and Artigliere FFG for instance can carry 16 Teseo Mk2 SSMs, a feat only former Soviet ships matched. Except that on average the Artigliere carry 4 SSMs only (and the Lupo are now flying the Peruvian flag)
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Atilla [TR]
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I have so many Q's about the Navy and the Turkish Navy? First of all can somebody tell me the use of Destroyers today, and does Turkey posses any? Second can somebody tell me the deference between and Corvette and Frigate please? I am aware that Turkey is building a domestically made and designed Corvette anything with Frigates? Sorry I have no clue about Navy, everything else good, just navy..
Here is a good place to start.Atilla [TR];140587 said:I have so many Q's about the Navy and the Turkish Navy? First of all can somebody tell me the use of Destroyers today,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer
But in general Destroyers are usually multi-mission ships that can either escort larger ships or operate on their own. They can specialize (usually in Anti-Air Warfare or Anti-Sub Warfare) but still can do other missions as well.
No they do not.and does Turkey posses any?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CorvetteSecond can somebody tell me the deference between and Corvette and Frigate please?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate
As with a lot of things naval classes can be a little fuzzy so one countries Frigate is another countries Destroyer (F-100 is a Frigate to Spain but in Australian service it will be a Destroyer, which is probably a more accurate classification for it anyway).
I know they are planning on upgrading your Perry class FFG's along the lines of what Australia has done but I don't know anything about designing your own.I am aware that Turkey is building a domestically made and designed Corvette anything with Frigates? Sorry I have no clue about Navy, everything else good, just navy..
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there are a few projects going on or about to start in Turkey regarding the Navy's main battle force.
First is a OPV Corvette named Milgem. It will be able to do ASW and ASuW operations. 8 of these are going to be produced. First ship is already being built.
Second is a light frigate which will be an extended version of Milgem corvette and have MK41VLS cannister & ESSM missile added to the original design.
Last is the good old TF-2000 project which will probably start in near future to have a full AAW and Command ship which will be in the class of Spanish de Bazaan class. Till then anti-air missions will be taken on by 4 Perry, which are going under a modernization program to add ESSM and modernize fire control radars and ships battle management system with an indigenous one, and 4 Meko Track II ships which will be equipped with ESSM this year.
there are a few projects going on or about to start in Turkey regarding the Navy's main battle force.
First is a OPV Corvette named Milgem. It will be able to do ASW and ASuW operations. 8 of these are going to be produced. First ship is already being built.
Second is a light frigate which will be an extended version of Milgem corvette and have MK41VLS cannister & ESSM missile added to the original design.
Last is the good old TF-2000 project which will probably start in near future to have a full AAW and Command ship which will be in the class of Spanish de Bazaan class. Till then anti-air missions will be taken on by 4 Perry, which are going under a modernization program to add ESSM and modernize fire control radars and ships battle management system with an indigenous one, and 4 Meko Track II ships which will be equipped with ESSM this year.
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no body in the forum mentioned about the importance of the subs in a possible aegean conflict. i believe subs will play important role in determining the fate of war.
SSKs in particular are effective area denial assets when equipped with a well trained crew particularly in regards to disrupting SLOCs as in WWII.no body in the forum mentioned about the importance of the subs in a possible aegean conflict. i believe subs will play important role in determining the fate of war.
Since the Hellenic Navy and Turk Navy will operate the same hulls-Type 209 Mods, the only difference between the appears to be the fact that the HN boats are baseline Type 214 while the TN boats will be fitted apparently with a GENESIS CMS and other indigenous systems according to some Turk posters. But too early to tell which has a technological advantage in terms of systems fit.
Will GF and other naval defence professionals give us their opinions?
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I would like the rough disposition of the Turkish Navy as well.
First of all I should consider war between Greece and Turkey as out of the question - just to get that straight.
Second I would suppose a steady increase in importance of the Black Sea.
In fact I find it difficult to see any alternative to Turkish dominance of the Black Sea: Off course Turkey could always put a cork in around Istanbul; but in the event of war that important city might get more than dented, so rather fight closer to enemy shores - if not on them. This means Krim - and Savastopol.
Now the Mediterainean can - with the help of som patrollers - more or less take care of themselves.
The big question is now - in a Nato context - have the roles been divided so, that the Turks take charge in the Black Sea and Greece in the Aegean?
The recent Russian hostile movements in the Black Sea must be something Turkey does not want to see repeated - and they seem to have the means to do it. Their naval forces hardly need a carrier - in the Black Sea the major points of interest (Krim excepted) seem to bewithin fighter/bomber coverage. Especially if Romania get some decent fighters/bombers.
It seems to me that the Russian Black Sea is in a predicament not easily solved:
Having Your main naval base in another country - that hate your guts - is rarely helpfull. Furthermore having a museum of antiques as your main military force does nothing for morale.
If you then are up against a reasonably modern and fair sized navy - life starts getting bitter.
Question: How well are the Frigattes suited for the Black Sea?
Are the new light Frigattes build primarely for the Black Sea?
I would like the rough disposition of the Turkish Navy as well.
First of all I should consider war between Greece and Turkey as out of the question - just to get that straight.
Second I would suppose a steady increase in importance of the Black Sea.
In fact I find it difficult to see any alternative to Turkish dominance of the Black Sea: Off course Turkey could always put a cork in around Istanbul; but in the event of war that important city might get more than dented, so rather fight closer to enemy shores - if not on them. This means Krim - and Savastopol.
Now the Mediterainean can - with the help of som patrollers - more or less take care of themselves.
The big question is now - in a Nato context - have the roles been divided so, that the Turks take charge in the Black Sea and Greece in the Aegean?
The recent Russian hostile movements in the Black Sea must be something Turkey does not want to see repeated - and they seem to have the means to do it. Their naval forces hardly need a carrier - in the Black Sea the major points of interest (Krim excepted) seem to bewithin fighter/bomber coverage. Especially if Romania get some decent fighters/bombers.
It seems to me that the Russian Black Sea is in a predicament not easily solved:
Having Your main naval base in another country - that hate your guts - is rarely helpfull. Furthermore having a museum of antiques as your main military force does nothing for morale.
If you then are up against a reasonably modern and fair sized navy - life starts getting bitter.
Question: How well are the Frigattes suited for the Black Sea?
Are the new light Frigattes build primarely for the Black Sea?
First off, zero chance of Turkey letting Greece take over the Aegaeis.
Also, the Turkish Navy is rather busy in the Mediterranean, and the Eastern Mediterranean is one of the focus point of naval power today. There are good reasons for NATO to have SNMG1, SNMG2 and SNMCMG2, the UN having MTF448, and various navies having further forces permanently in the area.
I was actually wondering with my question whether Fleet Command has any units (in particular submarines) permanently stationed in the Black Sea, or whether it's only the support and patrol units of the Northern Sea Area Command, and of course the FAC squadron stationed in Istanbul, primarily responsible for Marmama but probably also with a control zone further north.
The Surface Action Group is also headquartered in Kocaeli on Marmara though.
I know most of the Navy is homeported at Aksaz.
Also, the Turkish Navy is rather busy in the Mediterranean, and the Eastern Mediterranean is one of the focus point of naval power today. There are good reasons for NATO to have SNMG1, SNMG2 and SNMCMG2, the UN having MTF448, and various navies having further forces permanently in the area.
I was actually wondering with my question whether Fleet Command has any units (in particular submarines) permanently stationed in the Black Sea, or whether it's only the support and patrol units of the Northern Sea Area Command, and of course the FAC squadron stationed in Istanbul, primarily responsible for Marmama but probably also with a control zone further north.
The Surface Action Group is also headquartered in Kocaeli on Marmara though.
I know most of the Navy is homeported at Aksaz.
Wiki offers a pretty good outline of unit strength and locations. Probably try the TuN website?I would like the rough disposition of the Turkish Navy as well.
The same thing was said in 1913 in regards to Europe by a certain noted economist and philosopher on the basis that economic interdependence had rendered armed conflict moot. In 1997 the Turkish Armed Forces went on a "DEFCON 2" Equivalent over the Cypriot S-300 contract and the Greeks correspondingly (but not to the Turkish level) increased readiness. This had to potential to erupt into a 'substantial' level of hostilities short of war between two NATO allies so technically you are right as the word has gone out of fashion these days- re: Operation IF 2003. Still, human nature certainly hasn't changed much so to discount war (even if by another name or definition) is mistaken.First of all I should consider war between Greece and Turkey as out of the question - just to get that straight.
Totally agree with this one. Arguably the Russians bottled up in the Back Sea have an even harder time transiting the Straits than the Allies did in 1915 from the other end. Systems wise the Russians lack the capability to break a concerted TuN blockade of the Bosphorus and/or the Dardenelles.Second I would suppose a steady increase in importance of the Black Sea.
In fact I find it difficult to see any alternative to Turkish dominance of the Black Sea: Off course Turkey could always put a cork in around Istanbul; but in the event of war that important city might get more than dented, so rather fight closer to enemy shores - if not on them. This means Krim - and Savastopol.
Now the Mediterainean can - with the help of som patrollers - more or less take care of themselves.
I assume a naval OPLAN has been worked out with both navies in order to maintain the strategic balance in the Eastern Med and keep an eye on the with the assistance of a non NATO partner in maintaining ISR coverage around Cyprus and the Suez.The big question is now - in a Nato context - have the roles been divided so, that the Turks take charge in the Black Sea and Greece in the Aegean?