one step at a time, you just launched the first ever nuclear submarine, which presumably would be more of an experiment class than anything else. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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The main purpose of the Arihant nuclear submarine project is to validate the construction, nuclear propulsion and weapons launch capability as a common prototype.one step at a time, you just launched the first ever nuclear submarine, which presumably would be more of an experiment class than anything else. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
This capability is to be passed on to separate SSN and SSBN classes which will follow the project.
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A quick question
As part of the Submarine leasing arrangement - it was decided that two subs which are into 40 - 60% construction completed status would be completed by Russia with India paying for it. The Akula was class of choice and the first one's the Nerpa, can someone comment on which is the second vessel/boat or what is the hull ID
As part of the Submarine leasing arrangement - it was decided that two subs which are into 40 - 60% construction completed status would be completed by Russia with India paying for it. The Akula was class of choice and the first one's the Nerpa, can someone comment on which is the second vessel/boat or what is the hull ID
Yes we are leasing only one from the ruskies...there was great confusion as to how many india was leasing after some source wrote that the ruskies were leasing 2 of the nerpas...its only 1I think we are leasing only one submarine...I mean is that one of the Russian Govt. guy said??
Tell me where did you get the info that there is another project 75 on..as far as i know the project 75 is the scorpene deal...is this a confirmed news that there is evluation going on for new subs..or are you confusing it with the project 76 which is meant to make 6-7 indigenous conventional subs based on the knowledge gained from the scorpene project(Source: Bharat Rakshak)There is an order for 6 scorpenes and an evaluation process in on for ordering 6 more (HDW will probably win this one) under project 75 - That makes 12
To answer your last question - India has been planning and not yet delivered the ATV - it started 20 yrs ago, however first time players (china and India do take more time owing to the complexity of the deal)
Btw if really there is any such deal going on and HDW is the likely winner i would be no less pleased if the chosen sub is the type 212....its the best conventional sub in the world today(scorpene comes second)
There is Project 75 with the six Scorpene and Project 75A for six new generation SSK.Tell me where did you get the info that there is another project 75 on..as far as i know the project 75 is the scorpene deal...is this a confirmed news that there is evluation going on for new subs..or are you confusing it with the project 76 which is meant to make 6-7 indigenous conventional subs based on the knowledge gained from the scorpene project(Source: Bharat Rakshak)
Btw if really there is any such deal going on and HDW is the likely winner i would be no less pleased if the chosen sub is the type 212....its the best conventional sub in the world today(scorpene comes second)
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I think we are leasing only one submarine...I mean is that one of the Russian Govt. guy said??
The initial plan was to lease two and not oneYes we are leasing only one from the ruskies...there was great confusion as to how many india was leasing after some source wrote that the ruskies were leasing 2 of the nerpas...its only 1
How can you lease 2 of the Nerpas when the Nerpa is one submarine. Which is why i was asking the forum members if they knew which one was the other one
The plan was to lease two (with an option of acquiring them at the end of the lease period) for ten years. All sources initialy have indicated that the plan was for paying for the completion of two subs the construction of which were frozen by russia due to lack of funds. The subs are the Akula II or Shchuka-B class of subs. The plan could very well be brought down to one as well, as such the plan itself is a very secretive on as far its details are concerned so there is a lot of gaps in the reports. The reason i feel it would be two rather than one is also beacuse 300 Indian submariners are being trained in russia for nuclear submarine operations
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Tell me where did you get the info that there is another project 75 on..as far as i know the project 75 is the scorpene deal...is this a confirmed news that there is evluation going on for new subs..or are you confusing it with the project 76 which is meant to make 6-7 indigenous conventional subs based on the knowledge gained from the scorpene project(Source: Bharat Rakshak)
Btw if really there is any such deal going on and HDW is the likely winner i would be no less pleased if the chosen sub is the type 212....its the best conventional sub in the world today(scorpene comes second)
I doubt if there is a Project 76, however different sources have catalogued the plan to acquire 6 more conventional subs under Project 75 A and some other sources as Project 75 B. The main contenders are the HDW 212 and the Russian Amur class. Indian high end engineering giant L&T has thrown its hat into the fray by declaring that it will bid to get the construction contract. This is the same company which built the hull of the INS Arihant and the other two vessels of the same class are undergoing construction in its Hazaria facility.There is Project 75 with the six Scorpene and Project 75A for six new generation SSK.
L&T to bid for Navy's second line of submarines
New Delhi, Sep 29 (PTI) Larsen & Toubro, a private infrastructure development company, today said it will bid for building Navy's second line of conventional submarines, recalling that it had almost won the contract for Amur-class vessels that never took off.
L&T's Chairman and Managing Director A M Naik told reporters here that its shipbuilding facilities in Hazira in Gujarat and Kattupalli near Chennai in Tamil Nadu had capacities to take up construction of all types of warships, including submarines.
"Our shipyards in Hazira and Kattupalli have the capability to take up construction of vessels of about 7,000 to 9,000 tonnage and even warships of the size three or four times these vessels," Naik said.
"We are bidding for the Navy's second line of submarines.
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That the IN wants/requires 14 nuclear submarines is being stated in this article by Rear Admiral Michael Moraes who is the Flag Officer Commanding of submarines of the Indian Navy. He is talking about 13 more subs apart from the IN ArihantThis is quite old news.
Although larger SSBNs and nuclear attack subs seem like the next logical step, so for its only speculation. No concrete news on it from any reliable source.
The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Unveiled: Arihant’s elder brotherRear Admiral Michael Moraes, Flag Officer Commanding of submarines, said that ideally, the navy required another 13 nuclear-powered submarines.
For the SSNs and larger SSBNs I am yet to see very credible sources too
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India in talks with Russia on lease of second nuclear submarine
India has initiated talks for the completion and leasing of a 2nd Nuclear Submarine, this is after getting the Nerpa last year in 2012 for a period of 10 years on lease.
India has initiated talks for the completion and leasing of a 2nd Nuclear Submarine, this is after getting the Nerpa last year in 2012 for a period of 10 years on lease.
Perhaps someone could identify if there is such a hull body available at Amur Shipbuilding Plant's docks and if it is already named. Basis which we could speculate the timeline for completion and handover to IN.India in talks with Russia on lease of second nuclear submarine
India is in talks with Russia for the lease of a second nuclear submarine, said a senior official in the Russian defence industry.
India is ready to finance the completion of a partly constructed nuclear submarine which sits at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant in the Russian Far East, the Russian government news agency RIA Novosti quoted an unnamed “highly-placed” source in the defence industry.
The submarine belongs to the same Project 971 as the Nerpa submarine which India leased from Russia in 2011 for 10 years at a cost of $970 million. It was commissioned as INS Chakra in April 2012.
India in talks with Russia on lease of second nuclear submarine - The Hindu
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Got the name myself, it is the Iribis, apparently of the Akula class boats the Nerpa and the Iribis have some dis-similarities from other boats in its class in that the rescue chamber are different in its sail, this unique similarity should also help in transitioning of crews for training from one boat to the other.Perhaps someone could identify if there is such a hull body available at Amur Shipbuilding Plant's docks and if it is already named. Basis which we could speculate the timeline for completion and handover to IN.
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Has India a submarine strike doctrine? The Soviet Navy had more submarines than the U. S.. And, they had no aircraft carriers, till a late stage. What if India has more submarines than China? It wouldn't be for any anti-PLAN purpose.
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If you are talking about Nuclear strike, then India has declared a 'No First use against a non-nuclear country' And the SSBNs are supposed to be part of the Nuclear triad of retaliatory launch platforms in case of a nuclear attack against India.Has India a submarine strike doctrine? The Soviet Navy had more submarines than the U. S.. And, they had no aircraft carriers, till a late stage. What if India has more submarines than China? It wouldn't be for any anti-PLAN purpose.
A non nuclear strike doctrine in itself am not sure has been published for public consumption, however for the Eastern and Western Fleets of the IN, each has a Commodore Commanding Submarines and the office of whom am sure has extensive Operational Readiness plans for various scenarios. That being said the Indian Maritime Doctrine calls for acquiring "non-provocative strategic capability" through the submarine. The doctrine essentially calls for the IN to transform itself to a blue water navy capable of dominating the Indian Ocean Region. The IMD itself signals a strategic shift for IN from being focused on Pakistan and rather build a deterring force with an eye out for the PLAN and also to protect its SLOCS and being a force to reckon with on Global arena and especially in the IOR