NATO in Afghanistan

Ozzy Blizzard

New Member
Agree. That's why I'd keep troops into heavily fortified bases lending only emergency aid to governement troops. It's up to the Iraqis to find a half decent way of governing themselves in a federal structure. It is however up to the US (and coalition forces) to make sure the worst is avoided (Iranian invasion, mass ethnic/civil war) just by being present... This would force the current government to start acting seriously...

cheers
That may be the best cource of action in a total poo house situation. Whatever they decide to do the one thing i know is that "victory" as they define it is unacheveble with the current (or almost any realistic conceavable) stratagy.
 

contedicavour

New Member
That may be the best cource of action in a total poo house situation. Whatever they decide to do the one thing i know is that "victory" as they define it is unacheveble with the current (or almost any realistic conceavable) stratagy.
Yes unfortunately I agree. Let's at least prevent Iran or extremists from taking power in Baghdad by just bombing whatever anti-government force would come close to overthrowing it. We are unable to preserve peace, ok, but at least we decide who we don't want to see in power... ;)

cheers
 

merocaine

New Member
Its within american power to achive an agreeable end to this.
We just have to hope that they dont have there hands forced buy any up and coming elections in the States.

I don't agree that the situation with the Iranians is that dire. The Iraqi shia, although co religionist and quite sympathetic to Iran, are in no danger of becoming there puppets. Where there is a danger,it is the undermining iraqi soverenty by the americans, as an independent nation they can choose there friends, my fear is the iraqi's will be drivin' into Irans arms.

On the plus side, the majortity of sunni's seem to have rejected Al queda in Iraq, American causulties are down for the past two months, and the Anbar provence seems to have become a model student.
The new american coin stragey is paying dividends, the most visible one is reduced American caustly rates, behond that it will be a while before there is any unbiased data released, so its hard to tell what effect its having on the Iraqi quality of life (the real battle).
There is room for some optimism though.
They say its always darkest before the dawn :)
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
Excellent to some....

Sometime ago in my life I had a chance to work in a commercial kitchen for a short time. I wasn't desperate for work, but was helping out a friend, and really enjoyed the experience. However, one day the cook and his two apprentices, and me as the helping hand, really screwed up...wait, there is a moral to this.

About four hours after we started to ruin what was going to be a dinner for 50 people, the chef walked in. In fact we didn't even know we were screwing things up until she took one look, and then just quietly said...stop.
Then she demonstrated the difference between a chef and a cook. Within 20-30 minutes we had fixed up most of the mistakes, and although it cost some $300 extra, the dinner was served as ordered, and still at a profit.

Iraq, and to some degree Afghanistan, is just that, a really screwed up 'serving' that was made following the wrong set of directions, and aimed at a different 'client'. However no one seems to be able to step in and just say to everyone to hold what they are doing, discard the already ruined 'ingredients' and start again. Everyone seems to be defending their 'honour' and opinion, and failing to admit that there are too "many cooks spoiling the broth" and not a chef in sight.

It seems to me that the first problem is the need to realise that the US and NATO troops are "not in Kansas any more".
This is not something their manuals written for the Cold War could teach them, and even application of those parts that are applicable, like conducting a patrol, may not be serving the same purpose. Probably after all this time the actual grunts know this, but is this understood at the top? Why are all these generals coming out AFTER they leave the service to voice their disagreement with the policy they had been helping out enact?

Also they need to realise the terrain is very different. Its not the German plain, and its not even the Kuwaiti desert. Terrain always shaped strategy and tactics, but in these cases it is seemingly being disregarded because the political imperative would not be served to adopt more appropriate methods.

There needs to be a willingness to also admit that something can be learned from the mistakes made by the Soviet forces when they were in Afghanistan. and that creating a semi-sovereign Kurdistan may not be good for global inflation in economies that pay for the security efforts.

The other thing I would do is to reshape the higher command echelons. Create Staff sections for specialists that may not necessarily feature in military HQs like Environment analysis, Sociology, Cultural assessment, and Economic development. Everything being done has to be done on multilevel analysis and not only from military perspective.
If a community of Shia need to be relocated, do it.
If a pass in the North of Kurdistan needs to be secured, build a fort.
Sure relocation didn't work in Vietnam, but it may do in Iraq.
Sure the US Army Corps of Engineers have not built a fort for some time (Civil War?), but it is a perfectly valid form of military art and science if the situation called for it.
I know that Department of State (USA) has many officials in Iraq, but in my experience the likelihood of ensuring cooperation between US DoD and DoS is no better then getting a German Sheppard to play with a Siamese cat. All these officials need to be given probationary ranks, and given to understand that they are serving a greater good then their own career. The military officers on the other hand need to understand that their career has not for the most part provided them with the knowledge and experience to resolve non-military conflicts in a foreign society (why in a good kitchen the pastry chef and the soup chef never switch roles).

The British Empire never conquered Afghanistan before, but they had good results in other parts of the region, namely the North West Frontier (thats where the Taliban is training now).
NATO has other historical experience to draw on to help with the situation. The interdiction of smuggler trade routes between Italy and Switzerland, Germany and Austria in the 18th and 19th centuries may be a useful subject to revisit.
Or may be operations of Austrian border troops (Grenz) on the Hungarian border against Turkish raiding parties may teach something?
The Spanish peasants made things difficult for Napoleon in similar terrain. There are loads of books written on the subject of guerrilla warfare, but most were written for NATO 'Napoleons'. Maybe NATO troops can try playing the guerrilla role (what Australian SAS does as far as it has been reported)?
These were very low tech operations I understand :)

Just my two bits :)
 

riksavage

Banned Member
The British experience in Afghanistan mirrors what we are seeing today with the US commanded coalition. The former marched in and occupied the main cities, installed a puppet Government, left behind a nominal garrison and then moved on to deal with other issues across the empire. The US did same, came in hard, put Karzai on the throne and left a nominal presence whilst diverting its forces to Iraq. The Taliban have a saying, which goes something like this: ‘the US owns the watch, but we have the time’ – they are prepared to sit and wait for an opportunity knowing they have an endless supply of cannon fodder sitting across the border in Pakistan waiting for martyrdom.

Unless we commit more forces to reconstruction the current coalition in Afghanistan will fail. We may be wining the battles, but we simply don’t have the numbers to hold ground once taken and allow for reconstruction in a safe and secure environment. The Afghan Police are corrupt and hated by the general population compounded by the fact the ANA are still not strong enough to maintain a long term foot-hold in key remote outposts.

I’ve just read an excellent book about 3-Paras deployment to Sangin (3 Para
by Patrick Bishop). It clearly illustrates the suicidal and determined mentality of the Taliban and acceptance of casualties. It also provides a telling insight into why the local population has zero confidence in the police and promises of Karzai. They are trapped between a rock and hard-place – Taliban on one side, coalition collateral damage on the other. The books also clealry shows how mission creep can take on a lif of its own, 3-Para were deployed to suport reconstruction efforts, but ended up fighting pitched battles to hold strong points because of external political pressure.
 

Ozzy Blizzard

New Member
Excellent to some....

Sometime ago in my life I had a chance to work in a commercial kitchen for a short time. I wasn't desperate for work, but was helping out a friend, and really enjoyed the experience. However, one day the cook and his two apprentices, and me as the helping hand, really screwed up...wait, there is a moral to this.

Snip.....

There are loads of books written on the subject of guerrilla warfare, but most were written for NATO 'Napoleons'. Maybe NATO troops can try playing the guerrilla role (what Australian SAS does as far as it has been reported)?
These were very low tech operations I understand :)

Just my two bits :)
FT annother well thought out and interesting post. You obviosly think out of the box. I do enjoy reading your posts on such matters including your take on occupations. Your respect for military history and its use as a very effective intelectual tool is something i think is lacking on this forum and may i dare say in some military circles. However it seems you only ever state that a soloution is possible, if not easy if only the powers that be could change stratagy, but what you dont ever do is outline any actual posible soloutions. Its akin to saying 'i know the answer, its easy' and then not outlineing, even in general terms what your opinion actually is. IMHO this does erode the value of your post, because it doesnt actually say anything. I dont doubt you have the idea's or that they are valid, but just saying you know the answer and not discussing it is almost akin to sticking your tounge out and saying "na na". So c'mon mate, what do you really think? I would be intregued to know even in general terms.:D
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
FT annother well thought out and interesting post. You obviosly think out of the box. I do enjoy reading your posts on such matters including your take on occupations. Your respect for military history and its use as a very effective intelectual tool is something i think is lacking on this forum and may i dare say in some military circles. However it seems you only ever state that a soloution is possible, if not easy if only the powers that be could change stratagy, but what you dont ever do is outline any actual posible soloutions. Its akin to saying 'i know the answer, its easy' and then not outlineing, even in general terms what your opinion actually is. IMHO this does erode the value of your post, because it doesnt actually say anything. I dont doubt you have the idea's or that they are valid, but just saying you know the answer and not discussing it is almost akin to sticking your tounge out and saying "na na". So c'mon mate, what do you really think? I would be intregued to know even in general terms.:D
Its a public forum OB, so I'll just say that I'm looking for a higher echelon 'ear'. Higher then brigade staff I think (which is as high as I can get).
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
The British experience in Afghanistan mirrors what we are seeing today with the US commanded coalition. The former marched in and occupied the main cities, installed a puppet Government, left behind a nominal garrison and then moved on to deal with other issues across the empire. The US did same, came in hard, put Karzai on the throne and left a nominal presence whilst diverting its forces to Iraq. The Taliban have a saying, which goes something like this: ‘the US owns the watch, but we have the time’ – they are prepared to sit and wait for an opportunity knowing they have an endless supply of cannon fodder sitting across the border in Pakistan waiting for martyrdom.

Unless we commit more forces to reconstruction the current coalition in Afghanistan will fail. We may be wining the battles, but we simply don’t have the numbers to hold ground once taken and allow for reconstruction in a safe and secure environment. The Afghan Police are corrupt and hated by the general population compounded by the fact the ANA are still not strong enough to maintain a long term foot-hold in key remote outposts.

I’ve just read an excellent book about 3-Paras deployment to Sangin (3 Para
by Patrick Bishop). It clearly illustrates the suicidal and determined mentality of the Taliban and acceptance of casualties. It also provides a telling insight into why the local population has zero confidence in the police and promises of Karzai. They are trapped between a rock and hard-place – Taliban on one side, coalition collateral damage on the other. The books also clealry shows how mission creep can take on a lif of its own, 3-Para were deployed to suport reconstruction efforts, but ended up fighting pitched battles to hold strong points because of external political pressure.
They were the wrong troops for the job, and failed to think outside of their sqare
 

riksavage

Banned Member
Who are you talking about 3-Para or the red-coats?

The former were constrained by politics driven by higher-command not military tactics on the ground. The CO pushed for a more fluid mobile approach practiced in the ealry days by the Pathfinders, unfortunately they too were ordered to stand-fast and protect fixed positions when the ANA failed to turn-up.
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
Who are you talking about 3-Para or the red-coats?

The former were constrained by politics driven by higher-command not military tactics on the ground. The CO pushed for a more fluid mobile approach practiced in the early days by the Pathfinders, unfortunately they too were ordered to stand-fast and protect fixed positions when the ANA failed to turn-up.
3Para was sent in as leg infantry with orders to use tactics that were derived from political considerations. Infantry were the wrong troops to send in.

In reality 3 Para should have been used in the airmobile mode (as is in fact their training), and they should have focused on offensive ambush and denial of escape routes rather then route security (a job for the red-heads).

At least that is my educated guess since obviously I wasn't there.

Of course it would have helped if the Afghan Army cooperated.
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
Agree. That's why I'd keep troops into heavily fortified bases lending only emergency aid to government troops. It's up to the Iraqis to find a half decent way of governing themselves in a federal structure. It is however up to the US (and coalition forces) to make sure the worst is avoided (Iranian invasion, mass ethnic/civil war) just by being present... This would force the current government to start acting seriously...

cheers
Its not possible to dominate an AO from a "heavily fortified base".

US troops need to continuously maintain pressure on, and deny mobility to anyone who means harm to the Iraqi population...without being there! This is made plain by the constant stream of interviews with Iraqis. Quite frankly I would not want to live in a war zone either, with constant house searches.

Route patrols are not the way to do this since routes constitute only a small area of the total Iraqi territory, and do nothing to deny the rest of it to the enemy.
Constant urban patrols are also not a solution because of their intermittent nature in dominating the AO, and the effect on general population.

New solutions required :)
 

riksavage

Banned Member
Future Tank I appreciate your learned comments, but I beg to differ, for the following reasons:

The mission of the 3-Para Battle Group was to enter Helmand and provide security for reconstruction. An ideal unit for the task because it’s whole ethos is to operate in areas (behind enemy lines) with a minimal logistics tail. Plus they had the additional benefit of a 30-man plus brigade asset in the form of the Pathfinders who are equipped and trained along the lines of the SAS (vehicle mounted long range recce and surveillance). At the time of their arrival there was no permanent competent military presence other then SF units operating in the area.

The CO of 3-Para is an experienced and well educated exponent of counter insurgency warfare. His mission was to set-up ‘ink spots’ whereby the Para’s would secure hamlets and regional conurbation’s to allow for micro improvements in the standard of living (improved schooling, medical centres and safe and secure market places) thus demonstrating the coalitions ability to bring a level security above and beyond what the Taliban could offer – thus attempt to win hearts and minds. Once complete the ink-spots would spread further out to influence the more rural areas. Unfortunately curtain assumptions were made, which did not come to fruition, namely:

From day one the Para’s faced determined attacks on a daily basis by an enemy, which was prepared to suffer major casualties to achieve limited gains. The idea that they were confined to fix positions in areas such as Sangin is false; they patrolled aggressively and took the fight to the enemy.

Key organizations such as DFID refused to come in and begin low-level hearts and minds operations until the threat was neutralized, a totally unrealistic expectation considering the intensity of the fighting.

The regional local Afghan leader, Dahoud (I think that’s how you spell it!) made constant demands for sections and platoons to be deployed to support his cronies, a policy which was pushed from the very top by Karzai (a very close friend of Dahoud).

Subsequent to the Para’s kicking open of the door in Helmand, we have seen the RM and more recently 12 Mech attempt to dominate the ground (see link below). Through a steady increase in fire power and support (armoured vehicles) they have been able to extend the influence of the coalitions presence. They still lack numbers however considering the size of area they have to coever.

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...heyBeatTheTalibanAndTheyBeatThemWellvideo.htm

Now whilst the ink-spot approach continues it will be supplemented by continued SF counter-terrorist operations following classic lines endorsed by the likes of Stirling, Kitson and Templer et al, namely long range patrols, OP’s in known Taliban areas, interdiction of weapons and man-power, plus the targeting of high-profile Taliban leaders; all critical to the strategic success of the overall operation. However SF operations tend to be offensive in nature, have very focused goals using small sef-contained groups (4-6 man patrols at the lowest level). They are never confined to holding fixed positions in an overt manner for long periods of time. Overt conventional forces must then be used to secure cleared areas capable of dominating the ground through heavily armed overt patrols. This is where infantry units are critical in bringing security and safety to a level where NGO’s can then make a difference.

I read comments in some of these threads that NATO armies are behind the curve in regard to counter-insurgency warfare, this is a myth. Most junior and staff command courses include counter-insurgency as a core element of the current syllabus. If you look at the UK program for example they have a sizable element of students and guest presenters from across the globe who bring a wealth of specifc experience to the table, including very high-caliber attendees From India and Pakistan (this is why the UK is looking to send more troops to the Indian mountain warfare school). At the end of the day it's not the knowledge that's lacking but application, which is seriously impacted by local politics.
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
Future Tank I appreciate your learned comments, but I beg to differ, for the following reasons:

The mission of the 3-Para Battle Group was to enter Helmand and provide security for reconstruction. An ideal unit for the task because it’s whole ethos is to operate in areas (behind enemy lines) with a minimal logistics tail. Plus they had the additional benefit of a 30-man plus brigade asset in the form of the Pathfinders who are equipped and trained along the lines of the SAS (vehicle mounted long range recce and surveillance). At the time of their arrival there was no permanent competent military presence other then SF units operating in the area.

The CO of 3-Para is an experienced and well educated exponent of counter insurgency warfare. His mission was to set-up ‘ink spots’ whereby the Para’s would secure hamlets and regional conurbation’s to allow for micro improvements in the standard of living (improved schooling, medical centres and safe and secure market places) thus demonstrating the coalitions ability to bring a level security above and beyond what the Taliban could offer – thus attempt to win hearts and minds. Once complete the ink-spots would spread further out to influence the more rural areas. Unfortunately curtain assumptions were made, which did not come to fruition, namely:

From day one the Para’s faced determined attacks on a daily basis by an enemy, which was prepared to suffer major casualties to achieve limited gains. The idea that they were confined to fix positions in areas such as Sangin is false; they patrolled aggressively and took the fight to the enemy.

Key organizations such as DFID refused to come in and begin low-level hearts and minds operations until the threat was neutralized, a totally unrealistic expectation considering the intensity of the fighting.

The regional local Afghan leader, Dahoud (I think that’s how you spell it!) made constant demands for sections and platoons to be deployed to support his cronies, a policy which was pushed from the very top by Karzai (a very close friend of Dahoud).

Subsequent to the Para’s kicking open of the door in Helmand, we have seen the RM and more recently 12 Mech attempt to dominate the ground (see link below). Through a steady increase in fire power and support (armoured vehicles) they have been able to extend the influence of the coalitions presence. They still lack numbers however considering the size of area they have to coever.

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...heyBeatTheTalibanAndTheyBeatThemWellvideo.htm

Now whilst the ink-spot approach continues it will be supplemented by continued SF counter-terrorist operations following classic lines endorsed by the likes of Stirling, Kitson and Templer et al, namely long range patrols, OP’s in known Taliban areas, interdiction of weapons and man-power, plus the targeting of high-profile Taliban leaders; all critical to the strategic success of the overall operation. However SF operations tend to be offensive in nature, have very focused goals using small sef-contained groups (4-6 man patrols at the lowest level). They are never confined to holding fixed positions in an overt manner for long periods of time. Overt conventional forces must then be used to secure cleared areas capable of dominating the ground through heavily armed overt patrols. This is where infantry units are critical in bringing security and safety to a level where NGO’s can then make a difference.

I read comments in some of these threads that NATO armies are behind the curve in regard to counter-insurgency warfare, this is a myth. Most junior and staff command courses include counter-insurgency as a core element of the current syllabus. If you look at the UK program for example they have a sizable element of students and guest presenters from across the globe who bring a wealth of specifc experience to the table, including very high-caliber attendees From India and Pakistan (this is why the UK is looking to send more troops to the Indian mountain warfare school). At the end of the day it's not the knowledge that's lacking but application, which is seriously impacted by local politics.
I didn't say there is a deficiency in education of trade skills by the unit, any unit in Afghanistan. In fact I have the utmost respect for troops sent in to do the impossible as 3Para have been called on to do at other times in their history.
My thinking is not based on military strategy, operational art or tactics.
Rather I look at medicine. Consider if you are a patient, and you have a flu. Feverish all over, you walk into the doctor's surgery and explain that you have no time for the whole cure, but since you work as a driver, could the doctor just stop your hands shaking, and you will come back for treatment of the rest of the body at a later time?
And in case of Afghanistan we are not just talking of a simple "flu", but a deadly 'cancer'.

Attempting a method of warfighting, or a strategy that do not address the whole, just fail to realise that the whole is greater then its parts. Even if the 3 Para had been 100% successful in their mission without firing a shot, they will have simply succeeded in securing a part of that whole, and someone else would have had to deal with it later.

In medicine, the first measure of treatment is to make the physical environment of the diagnosed disease as uncomfortable for it as possible by changing either the properties or the composition of the patient's body. I suggest both, and as a child I had actually experienced several times the 'tactic' I will be suggesting in an article I have been proposed to write (possibly co-authored). I can assure you it worked very well :)
 

FutureTank

Banned Member
Impressive, I will keep a beady eye out for the finished article
I asked someone to co-author, but he is in the middle of reassignment. I am myself right now being pulled three ways in terms of commitments, and although I have the basic outline, more research is needed to round out the idea.
Then there is the submission and approval process which includes editing. Don't look for it in the next issue :)
 

Combatintman

New Member
I didn't say there is a deficiency in education of trade skills by the unit, any unit in Afghanistan. In fact I have the utmost respect for troops sent in to do the impossible as 3Para have been called on to do at other times in their history.
My thinking is not based on military strategy, operational art or tactics.
Rather I look at medicine. Consider if you are a patient, and you have a flu. Feverish all over, you walk into the doctor's surgery and explain that you have no time for the whole cure, but since you work as a driver, could the doctor just stop your hands shaking, and you will come back for treatment of the rest of the body at a later time?
And in case of Afghanistan we are not just talking of a simple "flu", but a deadly 'cancer'.

Attempting a method of warfighting, or a strategy that do not address the whole, just fail to realise that the whole is greater then its parts. Even if the 3 Para had been 100% successful in their mission without firing a shot, they will have simply succeeded in securing a part of that whole, and someone else would have had to deal with it later.

In medicine, the first measure of treatment is to make the physical environment of the diagnosed disease as uncomfortable for it as possible by changing either the properties or the composition of the patient's body. I suggest both, and as a child I had actually experienced several times the 'tactic' I will be suggesting in an article I have been proposed to write (possibly co-authored). I can assure you it worked very well :)
Future Tank all fine and dandy but you have to appreciate certain realities and variously in this thread you have dismissed patrolling as a tactic to dominate an area and then said that you cannot dominate an area from fortified locations whilst accepting that there is a need for a 'new approach' as well as suggesting that 3 Para should have conducted a series of interdiction ambushes as a way of doing business. Proposed solutions to date have been in the form of some fairly sweeping analogies without any substance. I feel it is time for you to start offering some solutions with substance rather than criticising the tactics being used by real people constrained by many factors - resources being one, particularly in the light of your one-liner about 3 Para being the wrong troops for the job. I of course accept the fact that you have since qualified that statement and I have tried to put all of this in such a way as to cause minimal offence and I hope that you don't consider this to be a flame - it is not.

The realities have been pointed out by riksavage - CO 3 Para had a workable and doctrinally proven plan to start a successful COIN campaign in Helmand. The bottom line was that the ink spots would be small because of the limited resources he had available - however this has succeeded in the past and most of the COIN literature and doctrine I've read supports this approach.

His problems were that he had to accept the fact that his BG was small relative to the size of Helmand and political considerations (pressure from the Governor and Karzai) dictated that he had to occupy District Centres not long after arriving. District Centres have huge symbolic value in Afghanistan because they represent the authority of the Government - that is why the Taleban attack them and conversely why 3 Para had to occupy them. If you don't believe me then look at all of the controversy that the Musa Qal'eh Agreement caused (when the Musa Qal'eh District Centre was vacated by Helmand Task Force and the town was to be run by the local Elders). Also while I was there the Taleban attacked the Washir District Centre (where there are no ISAF troops) on numerous occasions just to prove that they could occupy the place and thus discredit the authority of the GOA. Then of course he was faced with an aggressive, astute and numerous enemy.

The logistics of all of this are immense - I was not there when 3 Para were there but I was there immediately afterwards with 3 Cdo Bde - just to supply these locations (at the time Now Zad, Kajaki, Garmsir, FOB Robinson, Sangin and Gereshk) is a major undertaking requiring considerable assets. Bear in mind that the heli lift available to him was limited as well which rules out your heliborne operations plan.

During 3 Cdo's tenure, more resources were available and the Musa Qal'eh Agreement freed up more troops as well as reducing the logistic burden. This gave the Commander more options - he was able to conduct more mobile operations as well as conduct a deliberate operation to improve security in Gereshk (essentially the continuation of the ink spot strategy) and execute deliberate strike operations (mostly in Garmsir). While all of this was going on the process of training and equipping the ANA started during 16 Air Assault Bde's tenure was maturing to the point that the ANA could be trusted to turn up and participate in operations. With every passing day and with more resources becoming available this strategy stands a chance of succeeding.

Inevitably during that tour, Commander 3 Cdo Bde was faced with his own political challenges - the arrival of a new Governor and the political imperative to set the conditions for the success of the Kajaki Dam project. The former required a lot of liaison and the latter again required him to divert his limited military resources from his overall campaign plan and reduced his mobile operations and strike capability.

In short there is nothing too much wrong with what is being done by the Helmand Task Force - it is constrained by resources. My opinion is naturally biased by the fact that I was there until Apr of this year and I have a slight emotional involvement with the thing - but in this instance I think the fact that I have been there adds a reasonable amount of weight to what I have been saying.
 
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riksavage

Banned Member
With Canada threatening to pullout, and mainland European Allies wringing their hands about increasing deployments in Afghanistan I can see 2008 being a particularly stressful year for the Alliance.

I read recently that NATO had made a formal request to Germany to provide combat troops to replace the Norwegian Quick Reaction Force currently stationed in northern Afghanistan, approximately 250 troops. Reading the German media (left leaning) I find it difficult coming to terms with the uproar in meeting what appears to be a pretty insignificant increase when benchmarked against the size of the German military. Bernhard Gertz, head of the German army federation was quoted as saying : “he has doubts about whether Germany has the correct weapons and communications devices to equip a rapid reaction force in Afghanistan” – this kind of comment beggar’s belief, what has Germany been spending its money on in recent years!!!!!

I note, with some satisfaction, that the more conservative press in Germany is supporting a more active roll, which hopefully will start to sway public opinion. The argument that the Afghanistan theatre has nothing to do with Western European security is bollox.

The following link provides a list of Canadian press articles, which is fueling domestic anger at the uneven burden shared between NATO signatories. Losing Canada will be a huge loss to the alliance, one which would be difficult to replace.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,464694,00.html
 
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