Iran to buy SU-30MK

metro

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Well in 90-ies Iran has ordered about 10 Bin of Russian weapons with even smaler defence budget , defence budget means nothing... Because of USA preasure and false promises Russia rejected and stoped delivery of weapons with Iran. After that iran has being for years ordered from Russia only minor thing not realy accountable and Tor-M1 and Pechora-2A was firs bg Russia-Iran bussines after 90-ies fijasco in whitch Russia regain Irans trust as credible arms suplyer. So I dont see why such fuse about it .
Even more strange than the timing of the order and the indicated number of 250 units, would be if Iran could get each of them upgraded before delivery;)

Being serious, it doesn't make sense to me for many of the reasons that have been mentioned. More so, it's hard to believe this order, when Iran has a "show" coming up this month and has been trying to get F-14s in the Air, on the cheap. Maybe the plan is to have Iran's Indigenous F5s do everything?

We'll see what's on display...

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Iran schedules major exercises in August

NICOSIA — Iran plans to conduct a series of major military exercises.
Officials said the Iranian exercises would take place in August. They said the maneuvers would include the first operational use of such platforms as a combat aircraft.

"The Azarakhsh fighter-jet will fly for the first time in these drills, in addition to the use of new weapons and missile," Iranian Defense Minister Mostafa Najar said on July 18.

The Azarakhsh fighter-jet was unveiled in early 2007 and said to be based on the U.S.-origin F-5. Iran purchased 60 F-5s from the United States in 1974...

Iran got F-14 parts from front in Malaysia

WASHINGTON — Iran has been using Asian fronts to acquire spare parts for its U.S.-origin F-14 fighter-jet fleet.

Officials said Iran has been using Malaysia as a way-station for the illegal shipment of F-14 spare parts from the United States. In some cases, they said, the end-user of U.S.-origin spare parts was listed as Saudi Arabia.

On July 19, federal authorities arrested Jilani Humayun on charges of illegally exporting defense articles listed on the U.S. Munitions List to a company in Malaysia. Officials said the articles, consisting of spare parts of the F-14 and F-5 aircraft were meant for Iran. Iran is the only country with an operational F-14 fleet.

Congress has advanced legislation that would ban the sale of F-14 parts outside of the United States. The bill was expected to be signed by President George Bush.

In 2004, Humayun formed his own company, Vash International, to export defense and logistics support, including main battle tanks, guided missiles and rocket launchers. Officials said Humayun exported to Malaysia F-5 and F-14 fighter jet parts, as well as those for the CH-47 Chinook heavy-lift helicopter.

Humayun, a resident of Lynbrook, N.Y., said he did not know the end users of the defense equipment sent to the Malaysian company. The Justice Department concluded that the main client was Iran.

"As is well-documented in public reports, the sole customer of F-14 parts is the Iranian Air Force." said Michael Garcia, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

Geostrategy-Direct, www.geostrategy-direct.com, August 1, 2007

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Viktor

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Well now that USA has discovered leak in F-14 spare parts all F-14 are being carefuly destroyed and all countries are being watched for that so Iranian F-14 wont last long. Its F-4/5 and modifications are just practice targets and pose no real threat. Basicly Iran has no navy or airforce. ...LOL . It has no other option but to buy Russian or Chinese fighters, its defence industry can not produce anything.
 

Ozzy Blizzard

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Well now that USA has discovered leak in F-14 spare parts all F-14 are being carefuly destroyed and all countries are being watched for that so Iranian F-14 wont last long. Its F-4/5 and modifications are just practice targets and pose no real threat. Basicly Iran has no navy or airforce. ...LOL . It has no other option but to buy Russian or Chinese fighters, its defence industry can not produce anything.
Its not exactly a bad option. An Su 30 with all the bells and whistles is the best value for money in the fighter market at the moment IMO and you dont have to deal with the US, meaning the russians will sell to pretty much anyone as long as they are legitimate. You can basiclly get 3 SU 30MKI for every 2 Typhoons, and the falnker is comparable in raw performance, has a more capable radar and better range and payload. Thats why anyone who isnt US alligned (and even the indians who do have acsess for US tech to some extent) are buying flankers and Not Eurocanards, apart from eastern block europeans who have to be NATO compatible anyway. It will give them a far greater capability than they had previously, even with the Cats operational. It just depends on the numbers to be procured and the timeframe of the purchase (ie it might be 280 over 10 years, that would be affordable, the indians have staged their purchases).
 

Andrew_W

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It seems right after this news, the US declared $20 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia, and $30 Billion to Israel. Coincidence?
 

eaf-f16

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Yeah gotta say maybe its not 250 but its gonna be a big number.
Or maybe it's non-existent. It seems that Iran is BS-ing. And even if it did exist do you honestly believe they'd be able to deliver a good amount of warplanes train pilots and ground crew and build a support infrastructure fast enough for Iran fend off the nearly 300 F-18's (some of which are Super Hornets I believe) surrounding it?
 

Izzy1

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Iran has to say something in response to the US's aim to massively increase military assistance to Israel and open up new defence solutions to the Gulf nations.

This statement (and that figure of 250 Su-30s especially) has more to do with domestic face-saving by Tehran than anything else.
 

kato

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Iran has to say something in response to the US's aim to massively increase military assistance to Israel and open up new defence solutions to the Gulf nations.
The other way around, apparently, by Iranian reading.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8605100449

Summary: Iranian Defence Minister officially denies the rumour purchase, and blames "Zionist media" in a psychological operation in advance of US sales to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
 

Izzy1

Banned Member
Izzy congrats on the promotion!

(just tryin to get some early brownie points!:D)
Shokran Ozzy, appreciate the congrats.

Originally Posted by kato

The other way around, apparently, by Iranian reading.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8605100449

Summary: Iranian Defence Minister officially denies the rumour purchase, and blames "Zionist media" in a psychological operation in advance of US sales to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
These really are interesting times in the region kato. I have major reservations however in regards to the current Bush Administration deal. Denial or not, Iran will have to respond somehow - I fear however it will only force them further down towards the nuclear option.
 
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sashikanth

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Theres no way on earth they are gonna go for the f/a's..

The reasons are pretty clear.The su's are an excellent option, but the cost factor matters and the countries they can voo to put the proper avionics into place!!!
 
The Russian press finally picked up this story and got a denial from Sukhoi.



Sukhoi Co. has refuted today the reports of some foreign media about its alleged negotiations to deliver Su-30 jets to Iran. Top officials of Sukhoi Co. have blankly denied the report of Israel’s Jerusalem Post claiming that Sukhoi is currently in talks to deliver 250 Su-30 jets to Iran.
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The Russian press finally picked up this story and got a denial from Sukhoi.





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Of course Sukhoi have denied it. It'd bankrupt them attempting to sell 250 modern fighter aircraft at less than $4 million a piece...

Malaysia bought 18x SU-30 aircraft and it's cost them $1b.

How did anyone realistically think Iran was getting 250x SU-30 aircraft for $1b???
 

Scorpion82

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Of course Sukhoi have denied it. It'd bankrupt them attempting to sell 250 modern fighter aircraft at less than $4 million a piece...

Malaysia bought 18x SU-30 aircraft and it's cost them $1b.

How did anyone realistically think Iran was getting 250x SU-30 aircraft for $1b???
With oil:eek:nfloorl:
Honestly I think this news is just a duck.
 
Of course Sukhoi have denied it. It'd bankrupt them attempting to sell 250 modern fighter aircraft at less than $4 million a piece...

Malaysia bought 18x SU-30 aircraft and it's cost them $1b.

How did anyone realistically think Iran was getting 250x SU-30 aircraft for $1b???
Where did you get the 4 million per aircraft figure from?
 

Satorian

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Of course Sukhoi have denied it. It'd bankrupt them attempting to sell 250 modern fighter aircraft at less than $4 million a piece...

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How did anyone realistically think Iran was getting 250x SU-30 aircraft for $1b???
Don't you consider it possible that the $1b were a down payment or initial payment for the first batch?
 

eaf-f16

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This story is fake. Either as a result of Israeli propaganda or Iranian propaganda (or maybe a mix of both). Anyways, I think Iran can afford it over a period of 8-10 years and that's if things are speedy and it's put as a high priority. I'm also not sure on whether Russia would even sell them the planes.
 
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Aussie Digger

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Don't you consider it possible that the $1b were a down payment or initial payment for the first batch?
Not when Sukhoi subsequently comes out and denies the truth of the report as well, as shown in the article earlier in the thread.

No.
 

Satorian

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Not when Sukhoi subsequently comes out and denies the truth of the report as well, as shown in the article earlier in the thread.

No.
You just changed the premise and turned it into a circular reference. Of course it's no down payment or advance if we consider the official Sukhoi denial, but the point of your prior question and comment ("How did anyone realistically think Iran was getting 250x SU-30 aircraft for $1b???") was that how anybody could even have believed the sale before the official denial. That was the premise and question I picked up on.
 
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