At least they had some sense of Honor... Hezbollah is no ragtag army... a perfect example of a Mobile Army even without susficient transport judging by Israelis atakcs on everythng that moves... even with Israeli air superiority they somehow get stuff where they need to be.. yes wars now are more cowardly wage then their 19th counter parts.. no offence to any Military personals in the forum.. its just my 2 cent
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Dont think thats true, Hezzbullah has survived this long by being very secretive and well trained, you cant turn out well trained troops who can stand up to air bombardment and arti in a week. If they were to turn out troops too quickly the quality would decline and there causlties would rise very rapidly, look at the rate the taliban are killed in afganistan.
From what I know your looking at about 1000 front line troops, 8000 reserves and vets from the last war, being given logistical support by about 30000 more supporters.
The amazing thing is that if your a Hezzbullah fighter most of the time even your family dont know. Most guys in the middle east milita's like to boast and wave there guns around there heads, Hezzbullah are the total opposite.
They are like the role model for all the wana be guerilla armys out there, a modern Viet Cong.
The big departure for the Hezzbullah is that there fighting like a modern infantry brigade, sappers, antitank troops snipers morter crews in mutally supporting roles. And the main thing is there holding ground I think this has shocked the IDF more than anything, they were expecting traditional gurrilla tactics, what they got was combined arms, fortified bunker complexes, and mine fields.
I dont think many publications in the west(or east) have picked up on this.
In the 1982 war the Israelies were 10 miles from Beriut in two days, at the moment there still within 5 klicks of the border. If they could they would be at the Litani already, whatever they say about there goles in the Leb.
On another note the Northern IDF commander has been replaced. Looks like the Israeli high command want to really go for it now and there putting in someone with a bit more bite.
I really though this would be over long ago, but its going to run and run
The Taliban are still Holding on.. but they did have farmore Troops then Hezzbullah... no doubt theyre Morale are the same as Hezzbulah Soldiers with the bombing raids done by the US to the same degreee as the Israelis.. these were of course some of the Vets from the Soviet era.. but the down part is Taliban doesnt have the Support of any other counries besides Tribal members fo Pakistan...
zainulhuda
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Sorry only military capabilities are being discussed.
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radiosilence
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060813/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
"Israel's military said 19 soldiers killed, five more were missing and more than 70 were wounded after first day of the expanded offensive. The broadened push tripled troop strength to 30,000 in southern Lebanon. Israel Radio reported 100 troops wounded, which if confirmed would be the Jewish state's highest one-day injury toll of the fighting.
Israel confirmed that guerrillas shot down a military transport helicopter in the south and the five people aboard, all crew members, were missing. Hezbollah said a battle raged for hours as Israel attempted to reach the crew, but there were no details of that fighting. Hezbollah claimed to destroy 21 tanks.
Israel said it killed more than 40 Hezbollah fighters. Hezbollah issued a statement saying three of its fighters had been killed but gave no date.Nineteen Lebanese civilians died from Israeli airstrikes, while Hezbollah rockets wounded eight people in northern Israel. The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives — including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel."
its heating up before the "cease-fire plan" is implemented.
"Israel's military said 19 soldiers killed, five more were missing and more than 70 were wounded after first day of the expanded offensive. The broadened push tripled troop strength to 30,000 in southern Lebanon. Israel Radio reported 100 troops wounded, which if confirmed would be the Jewish state's highest one-day injury toll of the fighting.
Israel confirmed that guerrillas shot down a military transport helicopter in the south and the five people aboard, all crew members, were missing. Hezbollah said a battle raged for hours as Israel attempted to reach the crew, but there were no details of that fighting. Hezbollah claimed to destroy 21 tanks.
Israel said it killed more than 40 Hezbollah fighters. Hezbollah issued a statement saying three of its fighters had been killed but gave no date.Nineteen Lebanese civilians died from Israeli airstrikes, while Hezbollah rockets wounded eight people in northern Israel. The 32-day struggle has claimed nearly 900 lives — including at least 763 in Lebanon and 130 in Israel."
its heating up before the "cease-fire plan" is implemented.
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contedicavour
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Hezbollahs claim to have downed an Israeli helo and to have destroyed several Merkava-4 MBTs. What sort of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles do they have in their inventory ?
Happy to see the ceasefire in force. Now it's time to help the Lebanese regular army to secure its territory and disarm the Hezbollah (or at least make sure they stop launching rockets). And the Israeli armed forces can retreat behind its borders. Order restored, hopefully.
cheers
Happy to see the ceasefire in force. Now it's time to help the Lebanese regular army to secure its territory and disarm the Hezbollah (or at least make sure they stop launching rockets). And the Israeli armed forces can retreat behind its borders. Order restored, hopefully.
cheers
Anti-Tank Weapons Inflict Heavy Losses on Israeli Armycontedicavour said:
Powerful anti-tank missiles manufactured by Russia and Iran are being used with deadly effectiveness by Hizbollah against the Israeli army in southern Lebanon, military sources say. Read More...
Mainly russian made RPG-29 but that is allegation, russia has denied it. You know how that is.
mysterious
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Eye For an Eye
Israel shadow-boxes with a surprisingly high-tech foe. Inside the new Hizbullah.
By Kevin Peraino, Babak Dehghanpisheh and Christopher Dickey
Newsweek
Aug. 14, 2006 issue - Hizbullah's fighters were as elusive last week as they were deadly. Thousands of them were dug in around southern Lebanon, and yet encounters with the hundreds of journalists also in the area were rare, and furtive. Like Hussein, as he chose to call himself, who popped out of the rubble in the blasted town of Bint Jbeil, site of what Hizbullah is calling its Great Victory, to crow a little. He was in civvies, the only way the Hizbullah fighters appear in public, but the walkie-talkie under his loose shirt was a giveaway. The hillside nearby glittered with metal in the bright sun. Here and there lay shell casings, mortar tubes, mangled shrapnel from artillery and bombs. Thousands of cartridges, the gold ones from Israeli M-16s, the duller brown from Hizbullah's AK-47s, all mixed together. This was asymmetrical warfare with a fearful symmetry. Hussein picked up a handful of empty brass. "Very close-range fighting," he said, jingling them in his palm. "You can imagine what weapons we have and what weapons they have."
In an olive grove about five miles away, it wasn't necessary to imagine. Under camo netting, half-covered with the broad-leafed branches of a fig tree, was a GMC truck with a rocket-launching platform, probably for the 122mm Katyusha, fired wildly into Israel. It was untouched, unlike its twin a football field away, which lay mangled in an Israeli counterstrike. There was no sign of Hizbullah fighters, though, and locals spoke of seeing little kids running like mad from the rocket batteries after they fired. In Khiam, a teenager on a motor scooter rolled through town, apparently minding his own business—except that the ear bud of the walkie-talkie hidden under his shirt identified him as one of Hizbullah's many scouts. They were hard to find—until they wanted to be found.
Hizbullah is proving to be something altogether new, an Arab guerrilla army with sophisticated weaponry and remarkable discipline. Its soldiers have the jihadist rhetoric of fighting to the death, but wear body armor and use satcoms to coordinate their attacks. Their tactics may be from Che, but their arms are from Iran, and not just AK-47s and RPGs. They've reportedly destroyed three of Israel's advanced Merkava tanks with wire-guided missiles and powerful mines, crippled an Israeli warship with a surface-to-sea missile, sent up drones on reconnaissance missions, implanted listening devices along the border and set up their ambushes using night-vision goggles.
NEWSWEEK has learned from a source briefed in recent weeks by Israel's top leaders and military brass that Hizbullah even managed to eavesdrop successfully on Israel's military communications as its Lebanese incursion began. When Lt. Eli Kahn, commander of an elite Israeli parachutists outfit, turned a corner in the southern Lebanese village of Maroun al-Ras early in the month-old war, he came face to face with this new enemy. "He had sophisticated equipment like mine and looked more like a commando," he recalled. Lieutenant Kahn ducked back around the corner and reached for a grenade, but before he could pull the pin, the Hizbullah fighter had tossed one around the corner himself. The Israeli picked it up and threw it back, just in time. "They didn't retreat," says Danny Yatom, a former director of the Mossad. "They continued to fight until the death."
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14208385/
Israel shadow-boxes with a surprisingly high-tech foe. Inside the new Hizbullah.
By Kevin Peraino, Babak Dehghanpisheh and Christopher Dickey
Newsweek
Aug. 14, 2006 issue - Hizbullah's fighters were as elusive last week as they were deadly. Thousands of them were dug in around southern Lebanon, and yet encounters with the hundreds of journalists also in the area were rare, and furtive. Like Hussein, as he chose to call himself, who popped out of the rubble in the blasted town of Bint Jbeil, site of what Hizbullah is calling its Great Victory, to crow a little. He was in civvies, the only way the Hizbullah fighters appear in public, but the walkie-talkie under his loose shirt was a giveaway. The hillside nearby glittered with metal in the bright sun. Here and there lay shell casings, mortar tubes, mangled shrapnel from artillery and bombs. Thousands of cartridges, the gold ones from Israeli M-16s, the duller brown from Hizbullah's AK-47s, all mixed together. This was asymmetrical warfare with a fearful symmetry. Hussein picked up a handful of empty brass. "Very close-range fighting," he said, jingling them in his palm. "You can imagine what weapons we have and what weapons they have."
In an olive grove about five miles away, it wasn't necessary to imagine. Under camo netting, half-covered with the broad-leafed branches of a fig tree, was a GMC truck with a rocket-launching platform, probably for the 122mm Katyusha, fired wildly into Israel. It was untouched, unlike its twin a football field away, which lay mangled in an Israeli counterstrike. There was no sign of Hizbullah fighters, though, and locals spoke of seeing little kids running like mad from the rocket batteries after they fired. In Khiam, a teenager on a motor scooter rolled through town, apparently minding his own business—except that the ear bud of the walkie-talkie hidden under his shirt identified him as one of Hizbullah's many scouts. They were hard to find—until they wanted to be found.
Hizbullah is proving to be something altogether new, an Arab guerrilla army with sophisticated weaponry and remarkable discipline. Its soldiers have the jihadist rhetoric of fighting to the death, but wear body armor and use satcoms to coordinate their attacks. Their tactics may be from Che, but their arms are from Iran, and not just AK-47s and RPGs. They've reportedly destroyed three of Israel's advanced Merkava tanks with wire-guided missiles and powerful mines, crippled an Israeli warship with a surface-to-sea missile, sent up drones on reconnaissance missions, implanted listening devices along the border and set up their ambushes using night-vision goggles.
NEWSWEEK has learned from a source briefed in recent weeks by Israel's top leaders and military brass that Hizbullah even managed to eavesdrop successfully on Israel's military communications as its Lebanese incursion began. When Lt. Eli Kahn, commander of an elite Israeli parachutists outfit, turned a corner in the southern Lebanese village of Maroun al-Ras early in the month-old war, he came face to face with this new enemy. "He had sophisticated equipment like mine and looked more like a commando," he recalled. Lieutenant Kahn ducked back around the corner and reached for a grenade, but before he could pull the pin, the Hizbullah fighter had tossed one around the corner himself. The Israeli picked it up and threw it back, just in time. "They didn't retreat," says Danny Yatom, a former director of the Mossad. "They continued to fight until the death."
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14208385/
It is very interesting to see how advanced the equipment of the Hizbollah is.
It is quite another quality if you compare this to the equipment used by most of the rebels in Iraq and A-stan.
- Kornet, Metis-M, Sagger, RPG-24, etc.
- Night vision
- Body armor
- UAVs
- Missiles which are able to hit Tel Aviv
- Anti-ship missiles C-802
- Listening posts with Night-Vision, digital optics and Thermal Imagers
- Multi-channel radio equipment
-...
Together with these nice little bunkers, tunnel systems, recon operators and supply depots it looks like the IDF really underestimated the strength of the Hizbollah.
There is also criticism of tankers who say that they had to operate deep in enemy territory without enough intelligence support, with too small numbers and with not enough infantry support. Maybe they begin to think about their lack of real IFVs now.
It is quite another quality if you compare this to the equipment used by most of the rebels in Iraq and A-stan.
- Kornet, Metis-M, Sagger, RPG-24, etc.
- Night vision
- Body armor
- UAVs
- Missiles which are able to hit Tel Aviv
- Anti-ship missiles C-802
- Listening posts with Night-Vision, digital optics and Thermal Imagers
- Multi-channel radio equipment
-...
Together with these nice little bunkers, tunnel systems, recon operators and supply depots it looks like the IDF really underestimated the strength of the Hizbollah.
There is also criticism of tankers who say that they had to operate deep in enemy territory without enough intelligence support, with too small numbers and with not enough infantry support. Maybe they begin to think about their lack of real IFVs now.
contedicavour
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Sagger, Spigot and even Kornets. Heck the Hezbollahs are as well armed as the Russians themselves !!
The IDF were a bit reckless to send MBTs against such missiles in a terrain that had nothing to do with the Sinai deserts that saw their victories in the '60s and '70s.
It reminds me of other nightmare scenarios... Vietnam for example ...
The IDF were a bit reckless to send MBTs against such missiles in a terrain that had nothing to do with the Sinai deserts that saw their victories in the '60s and '70s.
It reminds me of other nightmare scenarios... Vietnam for example ...
Those days are long gone I think, all the hard as nails, super educated, concentration camp survivers who were the back bone of the IDF are long gone.
Now they got a bunch of boys more used to the xbox and playstation and partying in thailand to do the fighting. High Tech fighting machine my ass, its the man not the machine.
Ground fighting on Hezbollah's turf that they've had years to prepare obviously posed difficulties for the IDF, however AFAIK, the IDF did push Hezbollah back and inflicted casualties.Hawk23 said:
And put Hezbollah on the offensive, or somewhere else, and the IDF wipes the floor with them.
Just MHO.
They appear to be a good guerilla army, but they're still just a guerilla army.
Some galleries of captured by Israel Hezb's weapon: http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1056
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1046
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1043
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1039
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1037
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1034
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1030
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1024
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1013
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1010
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=967
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1046
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1043
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1039
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1037
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1034
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1030
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1024
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1013
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1010
http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=967
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They were not pushed back. Even till the last minute clashes between the IDF and Hezbollah were going on only a few hundred meters from the border. The IDF just kept advancing without securing the land that they claimed to be in full control of. You see a gurilla army can not be pushed back because there is no proper front line, its all a huge big mess. We faced similar problems with the taliban and had to change our stratagy to win.B.Smitty said:
Man, very good ATGM terrain there. Open but with good places to hide like little villages, farms, wooden hill tops and so on. Not to talk of these bunker systems for which they had years to prepare.
It would also be good terrain for a big mechanized assault but it is defenitely not good for those small israeli tank raid groups without enoug infantry and recon support.
It would also be good terrain for a big mechanized assault but it is defenitely not good for those small israeli tank raid groups without enoug infantry and recon support.
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More video about a weapon of Hizbolla: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3291246,00.html