Anzac Ship upgrades for Australia
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I could be mistaken of course, but I get the sense that the sale wouldn't be approved, since parts of the US are gripped in a with us/against us mentality. NZ refusing to allow US nuclear vessels to dock at her ports is still a sore point for some. I also recall reading then when NZ was planning the 50th aniversary of the RNZN, the UK was planning on sending the HMS Invincible to participate. The US was pressuring the RN to skip the event altogether, in the end I think the RN sent a destroyer instead. Also, the US government recently blocked the NZ army from selling the M113 APCs to an Australian business. A condition of the original sale of the units back in the sixties was that any resale by NZ needed US approval. Now that NZ no longer uses M113s, the US wasn't letting NZ sell them.NZLAV said:
I could expand on this further, but then it would get into more of a political/social commentary, when defencetalk is for military & defence issues. That and I'm sure the flamers would come out in force...:flame
I think those days are over...NZ is much closer to the US now especially with support on the WOT. Don't think NZ would have to many issues getting Harpoon.Todjaeger said:
Back on topic, the Aussie ANZACS will be much more potent once this upgrade goes through!
Harpoon or other similar systems are not even on the 10 year 'Long Term Developemnt Plan'. It's been clearly stated that purchase of everything on the plan is NOT guaranteed - so frankly there's little chance of RNZN getting harpoon. P3-K2 will likely get Maverick based on it already being in use by the Seasprites.Whiskyjack said:
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Upgrade adds to the armoury
Anzac makes a comeback[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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By Michael Brooke[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
With the completion of a systems upgrade that provides for enhanced lethality and survivability in the maritime battlespace, HMAS Anzac (CAPT Ian Middleton) has taken aim at the challenge of completing her work-up program and supporting the RAN’s high operational tempo.
Anzac recently returned to FBW to take her place among the operational Fleet after the upgrade which spanned six months and featured the installation of the AGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile system and the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow missile for air defence.
CAPT Middleton told Navy News during the upgrade work his crew conducted a number of valuable training exercises that has them well prepared for the challenge of getting Anzac ready to support the RAN’s operational deployments around the globe.
He said the training included Command Team exercises in the FFH operations-room and bridge simulators at HMAS Watson, the Navy’s premier training establishment, where CAPT Middleton was previously the commanding officer.
“The Command Team training allowed the Command to re-establish the warfighting team and to reinvigorate the operational focus,” CAPT Middleton said.
“Anzac’s Command Team training started with very basic warfare serials, and gradually built up-tempo towards complex, multi-threat scenarios.
“This progression reflected the re-establishment of warfighting skills within the team.”
CAPT Middleton said the training also included instruction on the uses of the new weapon systems fitted to the ship during the refit, including Harpoon and Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles. [/FONT][/FONT]
Anzac makes a comeback[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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By Michael Brooke[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
With the completion of a systems upgrade that provides for enhanced lethality and survivability in the maritime battlespace, HMAS Anzac (CAPT Ian Middleton) has taken aim at the challenge of completing her work-up program and supporting the RAN’s high operational tempo.
Anzac recently returned to FBW to take her place among the operational Fleet after the upgrade which spanned six months and featured the installation of the AGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile system and the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow missile for air defence.
CAPT Middleton told Navy News during the upgrade work his crew conducted a number of valuable training exercises that has them well prepared for the challenge of getting Anzac ready to support the RAN’s operational deployments around the globe.
He said the training included Command Team exercises in the FFH operations-room and bridge simulators at HMAS Watson, the Navy’s premier training establishment, where CAPT Middleton was previously the commanding officer.
“The Command Team training allowed the Command to re-establish the warfighting team and to reinvigorate the operational focus,” CAPT Middleton said.
“Anzac’s Command Team training started with very basic warfare serials, and gradually built up-tempo towards complex, multi-threat scenarios.
“This progression reflected the re-establishment of warfighting skills within the team.”
CAPT Middleton said the training also included instruction on the uses of the new weapon systems fitted to the ship during the refit, including Harpoon and Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles. [/FONT][/FONT]
It's been a good 12 months or so for ANZAC, she went on Exercise Northern Trident to the North Atlantic, exercised with numerous Navies all over the world and then came back for an upgrade to give it "flash new gats".
Obviously the Harpoon missile integration is going along smoothly now. I'll post some pics when available.
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The P3's are slated for Harpoon if the funds are available, its in the LTDP.Gibbo said:
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Does it specifically state Harpoon? I understand Konsberg's NSM just recently completed a series of successful trials... RAAF is keen to move to that missile in the future reportedly...Stuart Mackey said:
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My apologies, it simply states anti-ship missiles and a study will be done to select a suitable missile. I have read somewhere that hapoon was being looked at with favour...Aussie Digger said:
That's correct. The first trials were undertaken a week ago. Link: http://www.kongsberg.com/eng/kog/news/default.asp?id=32993Aussie Digger said:
Meant to get back earlier - you may have sorted it now! Anti-ship missilles for P3's is in LTDP - Anti-ship missilles for ANZAC's is not!Stuart Mackey said:
Update of LTDP is due out sometime this year - hate to say it but I've got this gut-feel there's bound to be something chopped, mind you, 10 years is a lifetime in politics!
Not really the thread, but lets not forget that they are 3-4 years into the LTDP so they have another 3-4 years of funding to add onto the end...technically speaking that isGibbo said:Meant to get back earlier - you may have sorted it now! Anti-ship missilles for P3's is in LTDP - Anti-ship missilles for ANZAC's is not!
Update of LTDP is due out sometime this year - hate to say it but I've got this gut-feel there's bound to be something chopped, mind you, 10 years is a lifetime in politics!
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Slightly off topic, but have to ask. Any particular platforms in mind for NSM? I'm of the understanding that JASSM has been selected for the F/A-18 and then the F-35 when that becomes available. Also, any reason given for possible adoption of NSM? Harpoon is in use by the RAN & RAAF, and SLAM-ER was trialed by the RAAF. Is there a significant cost or performance difference between NSM and Harpoon Block II?Aussie Digger said:
Would the RAN start looking at adoption of the NSM in place of the Harpoon currently in service?
The NSM is more of a Penguin replacement, that has a range of 150km but smaller warhead. A weapon for a littoral environment. But also can be fired from land, ship, helo, fighter, or MPA. So IMO a great 'light' common missile.Todjaeger said:
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RAAF is apparently interested in NSM as a follow-on anti-ship missile to the Harpoon II. Primarily I presume as it wishes to acquire a new generation weapon (stealthy airframe, extended range and "passive" seeker) to replace Harpoon when it reaches it's LOT (which it will someday) and also because we are currently the SOLE manufacturer of warheads for the Penguin anti-ship missile in the world and the Government is no doubt keen to continue making these (or similar) warheads for the new missile.Whiskyjack said:
As to the "warhead" size, th only 2 sources I can find (wiki and here: http://missile.index.ne.jp/cgi/misearch.cgi) list the warhead at the same weight as Penguin (120kgs) or slightly heavier at 125kgs...
Another reference for you:
http://www.deagel.com/pandora/nsm_mn00046001.aspx
Again quoted at 120kg. Looks very nice on the side of a NH90 (Naval version) which suggests it may be intergrated into that airframe. As the NH90 is a possible Seahawk replacement this would have to be another reasons for considering adopting this missile in the future I guess.
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http://www.deagel.com/pandora/nsm_mn00046001.aspx
Again quoted at 120kg. Looks very nice on the side of a NH90 (Naval version) which suggests it may be intergrated into that airframe. As the NH90 is a possible Seahawk replacement this would have to be another reasons for considering adopting this missile in the future I guess.
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Norway will be using the NSM on it's new frigates, and has ordered NH90s as their frigate helicopter. An integration of the NSM on the NH90 does sound very plausible to me. It also wants to integrate it to the JSF/Eurofighter. If we choose the JSF I'm pretty sure a cooperation with Australia on integrating the NSM would sound very interesting for both countries.
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From what I gather, the Arunta was used as the testbed for the CEAFAR E/F-band active phased radar. I hadn't heard of any Anzac other than Warramunga getting Harpoon yet. I read that CEAFAR is to be fitted to the other RAN Anzacs starting in 2009. Any idea of what the sequence of ships and upgrades will be, and if the Arunta has ESSM yet?Aussie Digger said:
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Correct, but after the trial was completed Arunta went in for a massive maintenance period. ANZAC was in at the same time. One of them ALSO received the Harpoon Block II canisters as Warramunga already had, I just can't remember off the top of my head, which one it was and can't find the article which confirmed it...Todjaeger said:
I'm not aware of any publicly released schedule for the fitment of these weapons, other than they will be added during "routine maintenance periods".
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Just confirmed, it was HMAS Anzac. I assume (hope, really) that the Harpoon will be in-service on all vessels before they start refits for CEAFAR. Is there any word on the commissioning date for Perth, and if she will be fitted with Harpoon then? Once CEAFAR is fitted, particularly if a 2nd 8-cell Mk 41 VLS is added as well, the Anzacs will quite formidable I think.robsta83 said: