Missiles. Long range vs short range

Toblerone

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Well there are naval versions of S300 and S400.

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Volkodav

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Actually I recall reading that ESSM has been tested in the terminal BMD role, specifically as a counter for the DF21D.
 

StobieWan

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Ok. I've asked the wrong question. Does russian fleets rely on any type of self defense network and measures similar to those used in american carrier battle groups? I assume that there is one but it newer addressed in any argument. Most of the time people discus soviet/russian military ships only by their offensive capabilities, trying to change the subject each time, whenever defense is addressed.
I don't know if the Russian navy has equivalents to CEC (which is a major game changer in networked engagements) or what their data links are like. To some extent, the capabilities of individual radars and missiles are less important in a large combined fleet operation, compared to the ability of the various platforms to share and combine information. Having good hard and soft kill options is useful for sure but having the information on how best to deploy them is yet more so.
 

colay1

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Actually I recall reading that ESSM has been tested in the terminal BMD role, specifically as a counter for the DF21D.
It looks like SM-6 will be tasked to perform the terminal phase BMD role supplanting SM-2. It would be great if ESSM could also help out but it seems the USN needs to acquire a surrogate target vehicle to emulate the ASBM to test out if's terminal phase defense.

From the June 2014 Congressional Research Service report on the Aegis BMD Program:

Target for Simulating Endo-Atmospheric Flight of DF-21 ASBM
Another potential oversight issue for Congress concerns the lack of a target for simulating the endo-atmospheric (i.e., final) phase of flight of China’s DF-21 anti-ship ballistic missile. DOD’s Director, Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E), in a December 2011 report (DOT&E’s annual report for FY2011), stated: Anti-Ship

Ballistic Missile Target
A threat representative Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM) target for operational open-air testing has become an immediate test resource need. China is fielding the DF-21D ASBM, which threatens U.S. and allied surface warships in the Western Pacific. While the Missile Defense Agency has exo-atmospheric targets in development, no program currently exists for an endo-atmospheric target. The endo-atmospheric ASBM target is the Navy’s responsibility, but it is not currently budgeted. The Missile Defense Agency estimates the non-recurring expense to develop the exo-atmospheric target was $30 million with each target costing an additional $30 million; the endo-atmospheric target will be more expensive
to produce according to missile defense analysts. Numerous Navy acquisition programs will require an ASBM surrogate in the coming years, although a limited number of targets (3-5) may be sufficient to validate analytical models.

A February 28, 2012, press report stated:
“Numerous programs will require” a test missile to stand in for the Chinese DF-21D,
“including self-defense systems used on our carriers and larger amphibious ships to counter anti-ship ballistic missiles,” [Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational test and evaluation] said in an e-mailed statement....
“No Navy target program exists that adequately represents an anti-ship ballistic missile’s trajectory,” Gilmore said in the e-mail. The Navy “has not budgeted for any study, development, acquisition or production” of a DF-21D target, he said.
Lieutenant Alana Garas, a Navy spokeswoman, said in an e-mail that the service
“acknowledges this is a valid concern and is assessing options to address it. We are unable to provide additional details...
 
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