Irrespective of which model Syria has received or will receive, I fail to see how it will in the long run frustrate a determined attempt by the USAF/USN and the IASF to degrade Syria's GBAD network and ground the Syrian fighter fleet. The presence of S-300s will complicate things but will not in the long run prevent Israel or Uncle Sam from gaining command of Syrian skies if a decision is made to go in. A couple of S-300 battalions will not be a game changer.
S300 Arrives in Syria
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2007yellow430
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You're right, if it's a couple. I don't know how many they got, nor who are manning them. However, if the folks running them are competent, they will raise the cost, and that could deter any such attempt. Any decision to go will take that into account. Which is why they were sent, I suspect.
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Amir_Pharaoh
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Well , I think if such deal take place in near future .. the system will be operated by russian crews ..
Such act may provoke Russia .. and will bring more heat in the region ..
surpreme
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I agree if the personnel is trained it will make airstrikes more interesting. The US Air Force in the long run will have air supremacy it will take a little longer with experience S-300's crews. Even if they have the S-300's it will take time to deployed and train crews on how to man the unit or batteries. I wouldn't be surprise if there is no fly zone in the future before the S-300's become operational. With that said there is no evident that there in Syria. The US has good eyes in the skies so if they arrive it will be known. What I want to know will Russian crew train the units in Syria or in Russia?
Probably in Russia, for a plethora of reasons, starting with the fact that it's the way they usually do it, and ending with the fact that they don't want to expose their personnel to a country in civil war.
surpreme
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good point
FAR SOLDIER
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If Russia loses Syria , it's over for her in the mediteranean area ( Tartous strategic military port ) , and it will be a real disaster for her strategy of global influence . Then , next on the list will be Iran , and it will be the knockout . So they will do everything to arm the Assad regime (matter of life or death , political and strategical death)
S400 in Syria
Wasn't sure the best place to post this as I thought is was an aside to the Strategic forum , ISIS.
Question to the forum regarding the S400.
We all understand its range and advertised capabilities from Almaz.
My question is beyond the advertised capabilities, has it seen any true operational experience to support the specs? I can't find any operational use where it's conducted any real engagements in a contested airspace i.e. With BlueFor ECCM etc.
Thoughts?
Thank You in advance
Wasn't sure the best place to post this as I thought is was an aside to the Strategic forum , ISIS.
Question to the forum regarding the S400.
We all understand its range and advertised capabilities from Almaz.
My question is beyond the advertised capabilities, has it seen any true operational experience to support the specs? I can't find any operational use where it's conducted any real engagements in a contested airspace i.e. With BlueFor ECCM etc.
Thoughts?
Thank You in advance
No. of course not. The S-400 has been in service for less then a decade, and that includes experimental exploitation. The full range missile for it has only recently passed state trials. It's at the beginning of it's path. This deployment to Syria is the first serious test of the system. Even the S-300 has never been used in combat.
Thank You. No doubt it's Radars are powerful but would be interesting to know more, how it will perform in challenging ECCM etc. vs multiple MALDs etc
Thank You
surpreme
Member
great place to test equipment
I'm responding to remarks about how S-400 perform in actual combat. Now let's look at where the new S-400 located. In the middle of IDF and NATO military RADARS. If this not a good spot find out if the system is good. To the North is a heavy radar station in Turkey and to the south you have Israelis. The Israelis and NATO technical guys are doing there jobs as we speak also the Russian are doing there to. In the coming months we will see if the system is all it claim to be. But on the other hand the Russian could be trying to test it AD in real life situation or real battle. Paid close attention to how NATO and the Israelis react to this new S-400 in the region this should be good. Israelis already responded kindly to a Russian aircraft that came close to Israel that a sign. We have to see what will happen next in the area. I'm loving this situation we will find a lot about this S-400 capability. What is going on now is unbelievable.
I'm responding to remarks about how S-400 perform in actual combat. Now let's look at where the new S-400 located. In the middle of IDF and NATO military RADARS. If this not a good spot find out if the system is good. To the North is a heavy radar station in Turkey and to the south you have Israelis. The Israelis and NATO technical guys are doing there jobs as we speak also the Russian are doing there to. In the coming months we will see if the system is all it claim to be. But on the other hand the Russian could be trying to test it AD in real life situation or real battle. Paid close attention to how NATO and the Israelis react to this new S-400 in the region this should be good. Israelis already responded kindly to a Russian aircraft that came close to Israel that a sign. We have to see what will happen next in the area. I'm loving this situation we will find a lot about this S-400 capability. What is going on now is unbelievable.
Are S-400's really there?
An important question is whether Putin would really put S400 missiles into Syria. He doesn't need them to protect his aircraft from Turkey or anyone else right now. He is arming the fighter-bombers with air-to-air and he has a handful of air superiority fighters there, it is claimed running combat air support. That should be enough to deter future Turkey adventure.
This seems like a lot of bluster for the suburbs of Moscow and environs. Face it - as stated in some earlier posts, Israel and Russia have a unique relationship, but it is a relationship. If Israel would be angry about S300's, they would go "ballistic" about S400's. Plus they would have to be manned by Russians, which exposes their personnel significantly. Plus this would unnecessarily expose their radars and other electronic signatures to several surveilling NATO countries and Israel. Not that this intel hasn't already been obtained by these countries, but still.
Remember, S400's are an AD/AA tool, meant to stop bombers and fighter bombers from dashing into Russia's heartland to drop nuclear weapons. They are really more of a strategic than tactical asset. Sticking them down in Syria seems incredible overkill with substantial risks. The Russians have other effective battlefield anti-air missiles they could employ for the tactical threats.
Finally, nobody has yet spotted the key 92N6E "Grave Stone" fire control radar that manages the total threat environment for the S400. True, some ancillary radar assets have been seen and reported, but not the keystone of the S400 radar system, as far as I have heard. I suspect there aren't any S400's in Syria.
An important question is whether Putin would really put S400 missiles into Syria. He doesn't need them to protect his aircraft from Turkey or anyone else right now. He is arming the fighter-bombers with air-to-air and he has a handful of air superiority fighters there, it is claimed running combat air support. That should be enough to deter future Turkey adventure.
This seems like a lot of bluster for the suburbs of Moscow and environs. Face it - as stated in some earlier posts, Israel and Russia have a unique relationship, but it is a relationship. If Israel would be angry about S300's, they would go "ballistic" about S400's. Plus they would have to be manned by Russians, which exposes their personnel significantly. Plus this would unnecessarily expose their radars and other electronic signatures to several surveilling NATO countries and Israel. Not that this intel hasn't already been obtained by these countries, but still.
Remember, S400's are an AD/AA tool, meant to stop bombers and fighter bombers from dashing into Russia's heartland to drop nuclear weapons. They are really more of a strategic than tactical asset. Sticking them down in Syria seems incredible overkill with substantial risks. The Russians have other effective battlefield anti-air missiles they could employ for the tactical threats.
Finally, nobody has yet spotted the key 92N6E "Grave Stone" fire control radar that manages the total threat environment for the S400. True, some ancillary radar assets have been seen and reported, but not the keystone of the S400 radar system, as far as I have heard. I suspect there aren't any S400's in Syria.
The launchers are there. There is no real room for doubt left.
As for quantities, there are now iirc 24 btlns of S-400s. So they have enough of them to take a risk.