Is this even possible for IAF?

[corzair]

is the following article just paranoid ravings or is this sort of thing possible
the article claims a 3 F-16I strike was stopped by the usaf


http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Israeli_Nuclear_Strike_On_Iran.htm

 

[Rish]

is the following article just paranoid ravings or is this sort of thing possible
the article claims a 3 F-16I strike was stopped by the usaf


http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Israeli_Nuclear_Strike_On_Iran.htm

Seems like a likely scenario. rumors have been going around that israel is planning attacks, but i dont know they could be lies.

 

[Tasman]

is the following article just paranoid ravings or is this sort of thing possible
the article claims a 3 F-16I strike was stopped by the usaf


http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Israeli_Nuclear_Strike_On_Iran.htm

I don't know anything about the credibility of the article. However, I would expect the IAF to have contingency plans of all kinds to hit Iranian nuclear facilities. I'd also think that the US would have the capacity to intercept and turn back the kind of strike force reported in the article. Mind you I think that a lot would be said on diplomatic fronts to try and prevent the IAF from launching such a strike in the first place.

Cheers

 

[radiosilence]

I don't think this article is credible. Israel would need more than 3 F-16s to attack Iran.

 

[DarthAmerica]

If you read the article, especially the 2nd page, the writers "agenda" is very clear. I don't have anyway to know the validity of the allegations in the article but my personal opinion is that it's invalid in its conclusions. The IDF/AF certainly has contingency plans for Iran. Thats nothing new. Nor are ferret flights. More on the ferret flights latter.

As to the question of if Israel could do this...certainly yes. They have done this before in 1981 and the personnel who flew and supported those missions are pretty high up in the food chain these days.

If they intend to strike with unconventional weapons then it's possible to use a small number of fighters. Nuclear weapons don't require large strike packages to cause wide scale damage and a small force has a better chance of getting in undetected. If its 3 F-16's, it could easily be mistaken by Iranian surveillance radar operators as an American CAS sortie against insurgents or a group of lost Air National Guard Pilots that strayed across the border. By the time they figured out different there would be mushroom clouds.

For all the hype given to Iranian IADs, its not particularly formidable. Israel wouldn't have too much difficulty penetrating Iranian airspace. The real problem for the IDF/AF is penetrating Iraqi airspace. If the article is correct about the IDF/AF, USAF encounters, the ferret flights are targeted against the USA/Iraqis as much as it is the Iranians.


DA

 

[Khairul Alam]

The art of deception.
Something Israel is very good at. Don't you think there have been too many "leaks" and "secret reports" about planned Israeli airstrikes lately? Israel just wants the Iranians to think that the attack is going to come from the air. Also mentioning nuclear weapons is just another trick to freak out the Iranians. The Israelis want the Iranians to keep looking West while they sneak up and strike from somewhere else.
I wonder what Israel is upto this time.

 

[CaptTomcat]

Is this even possible for IAF? in Military Aviation

Of course Israel has a plan to strike Iran's nuclear facilities or even take out that militant Iranian regime. It would be stupid for Israel not to have a contingency plan to strike Iran when that idiot Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's keep saying to wipe Israel off the map. It's a matter of when.

Remember Israel took out Saddam's nuclear facility back in 1981. Israel sent a dozel F-16s to take out that nuclear plant. That was near Baghdad. That was at the limits of the range for the F-16 with drop tanks and the bomb loads.

The general distant between Israel and Tehran is roughy 1,000 miles one way. Any air strikes will require some kind of refueling point. The most likely aircraft to strike Iran is the F-15I. The F-15I has a longer range than the F-16C/D.

Israel will not strike so soon until the world is convinced that Iran has the bomb and Ahadinejad's made another statement of wiping Israel off the map, otherwise the world opinions will be jumping all over Israel and the US.

There are so many exercises prior to the real thing. When the real strike comes, we will know it the next day on CNN.

 

[Tasman]

Of course Israel has a plan to strike Iran's nuclear facilities or even take out that militant Iranian regime. It would be stupid for Israel not to have a contingency plan to strike Iran when that idiot Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's keep saying to wipe Israel off the map. It's a matter of when.

Remember Israel took out Saddam's nuclear facility back in 1981. Israel sent a dozel F-16s to take out that nuclear plant. That was near Baghdad. That was at the limits of the range for the F-16 with drop tanks and the bomb loads.

The general distant between Israel and Tehran is roughy 1,000 miles one way. Any air strikes will require some kind of refueling point. The most likely aircraft to strike Iran is the F-15I. The F-15I has a longer range than the F-16C/D.

Israel will not strike so soon until the world is convinced that Iran has the bomb and Ahadinejad's made another statement of wiping Israel off the map, otherwise the world opinions will be jumping all over Israel and the US.

There are so many exercises prior to the real thing. When the real strike comes, we will know it the next day on CNN.

Your post sums up my thoughts pretty well CaptTomcat. Of course Israel is not going to give prior notice of a strike and of course they have contingency plans. The government of Israel would be irresponsible IMHO if this was not was not the case.

All defence forces with any credibility prepare contingency plans to deal with likely threats. If the threats become a reality surprise is one of the best weapons a striking force can have.

Obviously, IMO, Iran would be expecting an attack, if not by Israel then by the USA or by both, but I expect they will be left guessing as to how and when.

Cheers

 

[shimmy]

Rumors

I always thought the one thing Israel lacks are up-to-date and mission-ready refuelers. Isn't the distance from even the nearest Israeli airport to the nearest Iranian facility would really be greater than the range of the F-16I? Would there not be at least 32 sites that would need destroying if the story is at all true ?Everyone in the world knows that the US has long range radars setup all around the Persian Gulf and Saudi Arabia. I do not think the story is at all credible. It sounds like a made-up piece of propaganda spread by al-Jazeera.

 

[Aussie Digger]

I always thought the one thing Israel lacks are up-to-date and mission-ready refuelers. Isn't the distance from even the nearest Israeli airport to the nearest Iranian facility would really be greater than the range of the F-16I? Would there not be at least 32 sites that would need destroying if the story is at all true ?Everyone in the world knows that the US has long range radars setup all around the Persian Gulf and Saudi Arabia. I do not think the story is at all credible. It sounds like a made-up piece of propaganda spread by al-Jazeera.

Israel has access to B-707 AAR aircraft and a new program to acquire AAR versions of G550 aircraft.

They have some capacity at present, how extensive it is, I personally cannot say, but they have one that will only improve over the next few years...

 

[DarthAmerica]

Israel has access to B-707 AAR aircraft and a new program to acquire AAR versions of G550 aircraft.

They have some capacity at present, how extensive it is, I personally cannot say, but they have one that will only improve over the next few years...

I think they have the ability to attack Iran. But achieving surprise and critical mass in the vicinity of the target could be a problem. Especially if the Iranians get proficient with systems like Tor-M1.

DA

 

[LancerMc]

Three F-16's will never be enough to attack Iran. The article claims that IAF fighters routinely are topped off by USAF tankers. This was probably during training mission when the USAF had a KC free for IAF to use. I doubt such a transfer would have occurred over Iraq, because the Iraqi government would probably not be big fan of IAF aircraft using their airspace. Even if the IAF were training in Iraqi airspace there is a plausible explanation for USAF aircraft to turn IAF aircraft away. Iraq is still very much a war zone with aircraft in different regions conducting combat operation at all altitudes. If the IAF aircraft were nearing a kill box, the USAF would probably escort them away to lessen the slight chance of mid air collision.

 

[icelord]

The art of deception.
Something Israel is very good at. Don't you think there have been too many "leaks" and "secret reports" about planned Israeli airstrikes lately? Israel just wants the Iranians to think that the attack is going to come from the air. Also mentioning nuclear weapons is just another trick to freak out the Iranians. The Israelis want the Iranians to keep looking West while they sneak up and strike from somewhere else.
I wonder what Israel is upto this time.

Hush, you'll ruin the whole story
I'd say ur close to the point, with so much information being thrown around, how can you hold out a piece of truth in a sea of lies.
After getting nailed to the floor in Lebanon, the Israelis would be trying to get a foot back in the door as the little boy with a big guard dog. If this made itself to a media outlet of value, then Mossad would have done its job for the day.
Israel holds misinformation campaigns, hell, everyone does, it helps build a reputation, and israels got a lot of Rep to regain after Lebanon. I like how the sources know there was a Bomb on board, if there was, would the pilots tell? He just seems to know alot from his "sources"

the Expeditionary Strike Group’s flagship, the marine assault vessel USS Boxer is accompanied by the massive dock landing vessel, USS Dubuque, the troop ship USS Comstock, battle cruiser USS Bunker Hill, guided-missile destroyers USS Benford and USS Howard, and HMCS Ottawa. Though ostensibly joining its American ally to prosecute the “War on Terror,” prior to steaming for Iran the Canadian frigate took part in Strike Group 5’s anti-submarine drills off Hawaii aimed at countering Iran’s diesel-electric submarines.
Canada has warship?
I really see Canada, Canada people, getting itself involved in a war with Iran, how is their forces in the popular war in Iraq doing? You got a better chance of getting New Zealands Anzac Class ships doing ASW then Canada. Even a new govt. would'nt allow such a blatant pre-planned attack. Of course its going to take part in ASW drills, Iran has subs, and the US fear them as a Carriers main weakness, so wat to u do, prepare to defend, hell they probabley did drills against fires on board as well, that mean there will be a fire soon?

This story is more fiction then Clancy, and at least he knows what hes talking about. now, just let me fix this wool on my eyes.

 

[cheetah]

Ha ha ha all i read how israel the all mighty will do this and will do that.and if the iranians get the nukes israel will take them outnfloorl: this thread is almost funny.how iranians will think its the americans in there Airspace and wont do any thing and how isrealies took out the iraqi reactor.IAm sure most of u already no that it was the iranians that struck the reactor first most the demage to it was done by iran.then the mighty israelies followed.and finished the job.And thats after iran iraq war where iraqies had nothing left to fight back thats why saddam couldnt do nothing to israelies.as he didnt wanna open up another front.but iran is a different story thats why the Mighty israelies are doing nothing as they want the Americans to do it for them.iam also amused how there secret strike planes are always leaked just before they become a reality nfloorl: And iam also on the floor laughing how most here are making it sound like walk in the park for the israelies if it was it would have been done long time ago.this time israelies arent going to attack people armed with stones that there will be no colletral demage oh yeah i almost forget there missile defence system will protect them nfloorl: Iam sure now that propogenda news is out of the bag iranians are shaking in there boots :shudder
if the NOrth korean have nukes what happens if the iranians have baught 1 or 2.:nutkick

 

[rjmaz1]

Cheetah can you please check your spelling and grammar in future.. Your post was very difficult to understand.

Are you from Iran by any chance?

It is your opinion that Iran could stop an Israeli strike, can you back that up with idea's on how you think Iran will stop them?

S-300 surface to air missiles would be the only threat.

The biggest problem Israel will have is having enough fuel to get home.

 

[Patzek]

Oh come on people...

You know better than this not to believe such stupid articles.

 

[cheetah]

Cheetah can you please check your spelling and grammar in future.. Your post was very difficult to understand.

Are you from Iran by any chance?

It is your opinion that Iran could stop an Israeli strike, can you back that up with idea's on how you think Iran will stop them?

S-300 surface to air missiles would be the only threat.

The biggest problem Israel will have is having enough fuel to get home.

i would be more then happy to correct my spelling mistake if u could be so kind to point it out to me in my last post.

NO iam no Iranian.

not having enough fuel would be one problem how would the Israelis plan to attack all sites at once.

For some reason i doubt the Iranians wont fight back .last i remember Syrians have a some kind of understanding with the the Iranians for military cooperation.

if iam not mistaken Iranians do have missiles capable of hitting Israel.
Sibilla from the other side would have a field day
Syrians will have to jump in.
just for those reasons i doubt uncle SAM will wanna open up that many fronts.
and 150,000 us soldiers in Iraq will definitely will pay a heavy price.
iam not a military man.but i do no last time the Israelis struck Iraq they didn't advertise it in the newspapers.or am i wrong.
Are u from Israel

 

[Chrom]

Cheetah can you please check your spelling and grammar in future.. Your post was very difficult to understand.

Are you from Iran by any chance?

It is your opinion that Iran could stop an Israeli strike, can you back that up with idea's on how you think Iran will stop them?

S-300 surface to air missiles would be the only threat.

The biggest problem Israel will have is having enough fuel to get home.

Iran have several S-200 SAM's , which are still very capable. On Israel side, i wouldnt send just several F-16 for any mission.

 

[knightz33]

I don't think this article is credible. Israel would need more than 3 F-16s to attack Iran.

Haha......true...3 f-16s only??? You gotta be kidding mate. When israel launched operation opera, there were 8 f-16s accompanied by 6 f-15s. ( I'm talking about Iraq back then) Now we're talking about Iran....Iran has better air defences dude...by using just 3 f-16s??? This must be some sort of rumour...:

 

[Ares]

During Operation Opera the sucess of the operation was due to to Iraq's own human errors and other factors.
1) they switched off the radar for the defenses of the reactor
2) they werent suspecting an attack
3) they had considerable forces involved in iran-iraq war
4) they didnt scramble one jet
5) they were eating lunch
6) the french nuclear scientists were vacationing in baghdad
7) it was a sunday

There is alot more on this if you watch documentaries on it.