And loudspeakers could blare very loudly in the navy at them
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what about Chinese Democracy by Guns n Roses?
iambuzzard
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Sending out a boat offering to sell them baby formula. I love it. When travelling on trains over they have people with trolleys selling instant noodles through train windows at the stations.
iambuzzard
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Why a live firing exercise near our coastline? This could get very ugly very quickly. One miscalculation......
Chinese warships’ live fire warning forces planes to divert between Australia, NZ
The Australian government is demanding answers from Beijing after commercial flights had to divert over the Tasman Sea after they received last-minute alert of Chinese warship exercises.www.smh.com.au
Interesting..
Flights divert around Chinese live-fire exercise off Australia
Qantas, Virgin and Emirates flights over the Tasman Sea had to change course after an Airservices Australia radio warning, and pilots have reported being harassed.www.afr.com
There is the statement the Chinese wanted to make. The politicians are right on top of this. We know there are announcements in the pipeline. I hear early march, but as per typical, perhaps recent events have overtaken our schedule.
The only thing that would have drawn more attention is if we had a US dignitary flying in, and the Chinese warned that plane..
I wonder.. Perhaps this is exactly what they are planning to do.
Its no longer a theoretical, maybe they might come around our end of town and start throwing weight around.
Good thing we have used the last 25 years, and significant resource sector boom to fund and build a fleet ready to handle the challenges ahead..... ....
I still think we send the police, and say we thought they were firing flares indicating they were in distress.
iambuzzard
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Volks, you funny!!!!
I admire your optimism.
As elegantly stated by K Rudd, the CCP are rat molesters and need facing up to. Anything else is fantasy.
Mind you it could be worse. Like being the Kiwi DefMin having to explain a few home truths.
We will have much more of this when the Cooks and Solomon's are forward deployment bases for the PLAN and PLAAF.
I’m always mindful optimism does not equal naivety.
Was unaware of the live situation at time of post.
Still it’s how you play your hand.
I thought Rudd used a different term to Molesters starting with the letter f , that may have been a different quote.
Cheers S
To annoy us. Doesn't say what they are firing. Could be a machine gun. Probably is, as it poses no real threat, but would get the media all hyped up.
This would have been tracked since they left Chinese waters. The Chinese may have even let us known before they left they were coming down, because the whole point is to annoy us and get us to back down from our activities in the SCS. These are large surface ships, easily visible. The Philippines had noted the fleet passing through its waters at unusually slow speed.
Arunta seemed to have left sydney early feb, then came back on the 19th. So probably the whole time in its been near the east coast.
ABC reports they were monitored from last week as they approached from the North East.
ADF monitoring three Chinese warships east of Sydney
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Chinese Naval Task Force Makes Unusual Transit off Australia's East Coast
The naval forces of Australia and New Zealand are tracking a task force of three Chinese warships off the east coast of Australia, a rare long-distan...
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New Zealand Frigate Te Kaha F77 is also shadowing. As are NZ P8s.
Also pointing out the fact that US commander of the indopac, is here.. Not unusual, he seems to visit once per year roughly.
USINDOPACOM Commander Travels to Australia
Adm. Samuel J. Paparo, commander of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, travels to Australia to build upon the U.S.-Australia Alliance, Feb. 17-20, 2025.
www.pacom.mil
The Chinese fleet is well shadowed by a multinational allied force including ships (frigates) and aircraft (P8). We were notified by earlier friendlies of ships transits. We have literally the US PAC commander here, while this is happening, while the G20 is going on is S.A.
I must say, at least the Chinese are being nice about it.
This is a demonstration of the value of VLS numbers.
Would I be correct in reading that this would take one or two USN AB destroyers + a decent % of RAN combatants to safely dislodge if the scenario needed (going by VLS numbers)?
Meanwhile, independent NZ could be independently blockaded simply by their presence.
It’s polite that they so far have decided not to.
- we mustn’t forget that NZ is utterly independent in every decision it randomly decides to independently take especially how it conducts its defence and it’s essential to have nothing (with or without) capability-wise relating to Australia.
- if only they had a squadron of early model F-16s!
This is a demonstration of the value of VLS numbers.
Would I be correct in reading that this would take one or two USN AB destroyers + a decent % of RAN combatants to safely dislodge if the scenario needed (going by VLS numbers)?
Meanwhile, independent NZ could be independently blockaded simply by their presence.
It’s polite that they so far have decided not to.
- we mustn’t forget that NZ is utterly independent in every decision it randomly decides to independently take especially how it conducts its defence and it’s essential to have nothing (with or without) capability-wise relating to Australia.
- if only they had a squadron of early model F-16s!
Depends what you mean by dislodge. I understand western naval strategy is to use submarines to permanently remove a surface ship problem.
If you mean make them go home, just wait them out. They seem scared already to me - screaming and threatening everybody and acting like prawns. It's all projection. They're already wetting themselves just being so far from home, alone, and being in the spotlight. One wrong move and there's a war and they're all dead. They're probably seeing periscopes every five minutes and have glued themselves to the radar screens.
I'd feel sorry for the buggers if it weren't for how they've been acting for years.
recce.k1
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Wombat and with respect, NZDF personnel are currently sailing and flying "alongside" their ADF "brothers and sisters" in the Tasman Sea. With both nations putting their servicemen and servicewomen at potential risk, due to CCP unprofessional conduct and potential recklessness.
Suggest NZG will do more to pull its weight (the signals are there). Praise to the CCP for making the case easier (and if they head NZ’s way then bonus points to them for bringing the “threat” further into the public’s awareness)!
Meanwhile the PLAN fleet don’t seem to be in a hurry to move on? Are they idling or going around in "circles"? Giving more time for additional RAN assets to converge in a potential show of strength? Wonder if RNZN AOR will divert from its Antarctic resupply mission (which just finished) to help with naval replenishing efforts?
Suggest NZG will do more to pull its weight (the signals are there). Praise to the CCP for making the case easier (and if they head NZ’s way then bonus points to them for bringing the “threat” further into the public’s awareness)!
Meanwhile the PLAN fleet don’t seem to be in a hurry to move on? Are they idling or going around in "circles"? Giving more time for additional RAN assets to converge in a potential show of strength? Wonder if RNZN AOR will divert from its Antarctic resupply mission (which just finished) to help with naval replenishing efforts?
I'd say no. Home ground advantage always provides for asymmetric defences such as shore and air launched attacks, and even mining. Within 500km of our shore (where this fleet is located) then they would always be at a disadvantage, regardless of how big they are. A submarine would be a substantial threat to a fleet like this.
Those three ships would be very vulnerable in a war time scenario, and there is no way they would be there. They know that. Doesn't matter how many missiles they have.
I should note that the Chinese are deliberately trying to get a response, and they are going out of their way to trigger us. They would love it if we buzzed their ships or did something like dropping chaff. That would give them more freedom to do this in their own home seas, where we are a lot more vulnerable. They would feel justified in their own agression against lone Australian ships and aircraft in the S China Sea and may even notch it up. It might give them the justification to sufficiently bump a helo or aircraft to knock it out of the sky.
Being restrained in our response to this event is important. Showing a hairy chest unnecessarily causes other problems and puts other airmen, sailors and soldiers at increased risk.
I don't view we need to be agressive to be asertive. And there is a bigger problem.We are going to get more of these very soon.
We will see their ships visible from our shores all around the coast line. They will sail through sensitive areas like our offshore oil and gas platforms, the great barrier reef, Abrolhos and into our most valuable fishing waters. They will start transiting our merchant lanes. Expect them to make regular port visits out of the Solomns and Cook Islands within the next 12 months, and from there down into the Coral Sea. I thought this might take 5 or so years to occur. I think it will happen this year. We will not be able to prevent any of this. It will all be in international waters under the cover of peaceful transit.
The bigger issue is how do we manage that medium term picture. We might be able to out hairy chest these three ships today, but we will quickly become fatigued with where this is going.
Rekon the ANZACs have some milage now? Wait until you see what they will have to do over the next few years in just shadowing. Our P8 and Triton fleet is going to get flogged with reconnaissance. We rely too heavily on the Americans for satellite coverage. What happens when they tell us to get our own.
How do we respond when the Chinese start bullying small pacific islands (and they will). We can't patrol all that area and manage our own massive waters at the same time. The Chinese will stretch us deliberately such that we cannot provide resources into the S C Sea and are forced to withdraw. They are very good at the waiting game.
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iambuzzard
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I don't believe the PLA-N quad pack their Anti Air Missiles like our ESSM. Is this true? If so that changes the equation regarding cell depth.
The type 55 carries a total of 136 cells. A Hobart has 48. Even allowing for a mix of rounds in 24 cells it can still carry 96 ESSM quad packed. An Anzac can carry 32 ESSM, so that evens the odds a bit.
iambuzzard
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Didn't Helen Clark state she wanted NZ defended by Australia.
iambuzzard
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And what happens when they send 200 illegal fishing boats with an escort of Coast Guard cutters/frigates into our EEZ?
That's when it will get nasty.
I reckon the earlier suggestion of a drop of baby formula with prior warning should do the trick.
From what I have read, the Chinese have a near equivalent for the SM2 style interceptor. It's mainstay is the HQ9 (naval variant), which is a derivitive of the Russian S300. It's not in the same class as the SM6, nor I would view the latest versions of SM2 or PAC missiles.
It has a smaller defence missile, the HQ10, which is similar to RAM and has its own independent launcher.
The Chinese don't appear to have a compact quad configurable medium range missile like the ESSM. It evens the field a little bit.
I think we need an ESSM ER with a bigger booster to properly even the field though.
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Those fishing fleets will come soon too.