The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

CumbrianRover · Mar 30, 2022

OPSSG said:
Thanks for explaining the details. Below is a graphic on a BTG’s vehicle fleet.
View attachment 49067

There's the weak spot right there in that graphic... no tractors!

Feanor · Mar 30, 2022

koxinga said:
Tanks need crews, and experienced ones. They can have thousands of tanks in reserve but they are useless without calling up the reservists. And I have considerable doubts about the ability of those reservists to use those tanks, much less within an ATGM rich environment like Ukraine.

I think this is correct. Manpower casualties will be a bigger problem then equipment losses by far.

koxinga said:
Thanks for explaining the details. Below is a graphic on a BTG’s vehicle fleet.
View attachment 49067

It's a useful picture, but I would treat it as more of a sample then a defining image. There are armored BTGs which have a tank btln and a m-r coy. There are VDV BTGs, and "light" BTGs where the IFV/APC component is replaced by something lighter. 2 btlns howitzer and 1 MLRS is pretty standard but we've seen variations. The chart also excludes the recon element. A BTG usually has a recon coy attached with its own vehicles. There should also be an artillery-recon element. We can also expect a separate EW element, and often a sniper element.

CumbrianRover said:
There's the weak spot right there in that graphic... no tractors!

Yep, the ARV component is horrifically weak. It's a traditional weakness of Soviet and Russian armed forces. There was an attempt made to remedy this in the Serdyukov area, but it was half-hearted at best.

Soldier25 · Mar 30, 2022

In the battles for the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, one of the Russian T-72B tanks withstood a hit in the upper part of the tower of the Swedish-British portable NLAW ATGM, in the attack footage, one of the nationalists of the Azov battalion shoots at a Russian T-72B tank.

The footage of the destroyed division of the S-300 air defense system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the settlement of Circuna, Kharkiv region, was published by the Russian Defense Ministry. The coordinates of the location of the S-300 air defense system of Ukraine were established with the help of electronic intelligence, after which the positions were struck by missile weapons. As a result of an accurate hit, the launchers of the S-300 air defense system and transport-loading vehicles with ammunition were destroyed.

Published footage of the calculations of the operational-tactical missile complex "Iskander-K" and the launch of the cruise missile R-500 in Ukraine. Iskander is a family of operational and tactical missile systems that has been in service with the Russian army for 15 years. Iskander is not a single missile system, but several modifications of various missiles. The basis of the Iskander-K complex is the 9K728 cruise missile, also known as the R-500, the launch of which is shown in the video. The missile has incredible accuracy, and is capable of hitting targets with an accuracy of up to two meters. Officially, the range of the R-500 missile is about 500 kilometers, but many sources believe that the actual range of the missile is 2000-2500

T.C.P · Mar 30, 2022

Soldier25 said:
In the battles for the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, one of the Russian T-72B tanks withstood a hit in the upper part of the tower of the Swedish-British portable NLAW ATGM, in the attack footage, one of the nationalists of the Azov battalion shoots at a Russian T-72B tank.

I remember someone saying that this happened because the Nlaw was shot too near by, so the missile was not in its effective range, but I am no expert. Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.

koxinga · Mar 30, 2022

T.C.P said:
I remember someone saying that this happened because the Nlaw was shot too near by, so the missile was not in its effective range, but I am no expert. Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.

Warhead needs to be armed before it goes off. Not sure if NLAW's arming mechanism primes the warhead immediately after it leaves the tube or in this particular case, the warhead was not armed or defective.

Sandhi Yudha · Mar 30, 2022

Soldier25 said:
In the battles for the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, one of the Russian T-72B tanks withstood a hit in the upper part of the tower of the Swedish-British portable NLAW ATGM, in the attack footage, one of the nationalists of the Azov battalion shoots at a Russian T-72B tank.

The footage of the destroyed division of the S-300 air defense system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the settlement of Circuna, Kharkiv region, was published by the Russian Defense Ministry. The coordinates of the location of the S-300 air defense system of Ukraine were established with the help of electronic intelligence, after which the positions were struck by missile weapons. As a result of an accurate hit, the launchers of the S-300 air defense system and transport-loading vehicles with ammunition were destroyed.

Published footage of the calculations of the operational-tactical missile complex "Iskander-K" and the launch of the cruise missile R-500 in Ukraine. Iskander is a family of operational and tactical missile systems that has been in service with the Russian army for 15 years. Iskander is not a single missile system, but several modifications of various missiles. The basis of the Iskander-K complex is the 9K728 cruise missile, also known as the R-500, the launch of which is shown in the video. The missile has incredible accuracy, and is capable of hitting targets with an accuracy of up to two meters. Officially, the range of the R-500 missile is about 500 kilometers, but many sources believe that the actual range of the missile is 2000-2500

Thank you or sharing.
Well, at least they have destroyed the machinegun on top of the T-72B tank....

T.C.P said:
I remember someone saying that this happened because the Nlaw was shot too near by, so the missile was not in its effective range, but I am no expert. Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.

According to the Product Update Letter from Saab which was released in June 2015, the effective range of NLAW is 20-600 meters with a maximum firing range of 1000 meters.

cdxbow · Mar 30, 2022

Pentaprism said:
I’m not sure why you routinely accuse me of “rehashing Russian propaganda“ whenever I point out the CIA meddles with other Countries, which in many cases contributes to conflict. This is a defence forum. Surely we are allowed to discuss the causes of conflict? The issue is hardly limited to the Ukraine situation;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/23/the-cia-says-russia-hacked-the-u-s-election-here-are-6-things-to-learn-from-cold-war-attempts-to-change-regimes/

The CIA is even suspected of interfering with Australia’s political process;

Did the US interfere in Australia's 1975 election?

New data shows US government routinely intervenes in foreign elections. Did they play a part in Australia's tumultuous 1975 poll?

thenewdaily.com.au

We are in the middle of a proxy war. If we want to avoid future Wars it is important to understand how they start. Both sides will invariably blame the other but the truth inevitably lies somewhere in the middle. The West is trying to pass this off as being 100% Russia’s fault but that view ignores reality.

The war is 100% Mr Putin responsibility.

You can debate all you like who has contributed to the ongoing conflict between the West and Russia over the Ukraine in the last decade. You can blame various people, chose sides, you can do 'what ifs' or engage in viscous hand wringing, 'if only we'd ??????????'. All of which is completely irrelevant once Mr Putin escalated it to an invasion, which has killed and injured tens of thousands. It's only speculation that any action on behalf of the west would have made any difference. As I have pointed out before, Russia has continually invaded it's neighbours for centuries, irrespective of it's type of government, which suggests it's expansionist/imperial impulses run deep and are it's normal behaviour. It started well before NATO.

CIA meddling in countries is wrong, including my own, but is irrelevant to this thread, it's just a 'What-about-ism'.

CumbrianRover · Mar 30, 2022

If you can receive BBC Hard Talk, Maria Butina, Russian Duma, is being interviewed.

I think she has had lessons in how to evade telling the truth by Boris Johnson:

Only 20 soldiers are dead
Only professional soldiers
What senior soldiers have died?
The hospital was empty for a year.
I believe the official Russian press statements
Mariopol theatre? I have no facts - speculation, fabrication.

Difficult to watch.

ngatimozart · Mar 30, 2022

Pentaprism said:
I’m not sure why you routinely accuse me of “rehashing Russian propaganda“ whenever I point out the CIA meddles with other Countries, which in many cases contributes to conflict. This is a defence forum. Surely we are allowed to discuss the causes of conflict? The issue is hardly limited to the Ukraine situation;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/23/the-cia-says-russia-hacked-the-u-s-election-here-are-6-things-to-learn-from-cold-war-attempts-to-change-regimes/

The CIA is even suspected of interfering with Australia’s political process;

Did the US interfere in Australia's 1975 election?

New data shows US government routinely intervenes in foreign elections. Did they play a part in Australia's tumultuous 1975 poll?

thenewdaily.com.au

We are in the middle of a proxy war. If we want to avoid future Wars it is important to understand how they start. Both sides will invariably blame the other but the truth inevitably lies somewhere in the middle. The West is trying to pass this off as being 100% Russia’s fault but that view ignores reality.

Yes the discussion of conflict causation is important, however within that discourse we have to ensure that we have evidence to support our claims. Innuendo and conspiracy theories are not part of the discourse. If people want to discuss innuendo and conspiracy theories there are plenty of other venues on the internet to do so; this Forum is not such a venue. We prefer evidence based discourse.

You ask why I call you out on spreading Russian propaganda and my answer is because you have a habit of it at present that's why. Whether you are doing it deliberately or not I don't know, but there is a lot of disinformation be thrown around by both the Russians and the CCP / PRC in support of the Russian war effort. So many people are being duped spreading such misinformation unawares.

The firing of Gough Whitlam by the then Governor General of Australia has been done to death in conspiracy theory channels for the last 47 years. It's about time certain Aussies built a bridge and got over it. Nothing they do now can change anything.

This fixation by some people on the CIA being behind all that is wrong with the world is conspiracy theory material. Kind of reminds me of the American paranoia about communism and socialism, especially during the 1950s. Yes the CIA are a pack of mongrels but it doesn't mean that they are behind every evil that is inflicted upon this world. Us Kiwis would say that the Australian Cricket Board is behind some of that evil

CumbrianRover said:
Land based NSM would diametrically change in the Black Sea, heavens, the Russians can witness armour being destroyed, however, start sinking their ships with much larger crews and that is a bad news day.

I hope it happens.

I do too, but I don't think it will because NATO won't give Putin a reason to go nuclear and the sinking of Russian ships may be just enough to cause him to nut off and cross the nuclear Rubicon. That's something none of us really don't want.

Ananda · Mar 31, 2022

ngatimozart said:
but I don't think it will because NATO won't give Putin a reason to go nuclear and the sinking of Russian ships may be just enough to cause him to nut off and cross the nuclear Rubicon.

Before going Nuclear, one other thing to consider is those Russian fleet outside Odessa waters have enough missiles to flatten Odessa if they choose (without nuclear warheads). Also I don't know how good Russian CWIS, Shipborne SAM and counter measures on handling Western SSM (it was never been tested before). However seems so far their land based SAM doing quite good job on shooting down Ukraine missiles.

I put Odessa region, as that's practically the only Ukraine shore based left that still save to put Land Based SSM. Even some Western defense analysts agree that Russian despite the amount of resources they have committed in the war, still can be considered holding back.

If by putting Western land based system able to sink one of two Russian naval vessels, on the price the rest of Russian fleet unleash their missiles toward Odessa regions, that's something to consider upon too.

I also wondering on Ukrainian own Neptune land based SSM. They claim it is already operational (as they marketing them to SEA region), however they never use them. I suspect some of that Neptune already exists. However perhaps they holding it in case Russian Navy decided to do amphibious action to Odessa.

CumbrianRover · Mar 31, 2022

Ananda said:
Before going Nuclear, one other thing to consider is those Russian fleet outside Odessa waters have enough missiles to flatten Odessa if they choose (without nuclear warheads). Also I don't know how good Russian CWIS, Shipborne SAM and counter measures on handling Western SSM (it was never been tested before). However seems so far their land based SAM doing quite good job on shooting down Ukraine missiles.

I put Odessa region, as that's practically the only Ukraine shore based left that still save to put Land Based SSM. Even some Western defense analysts agree that Russian despite the amount of resources they have committed in the war, still can be considered holding back.

If by putting Western land based system able to sink one of two Russian naval vessels, on the price the rest of Russian fleet unleash their missiles toward Odessa regions, that's something to consider upon too.

I also wondering on Ukrainian own Neptune land based SSM. They claim it is already operational (as they marketing them to SEA region), however they never use them. I suspect some of that Neptune already exists. However perhaps they holding it in case Russian Navy decided to do amphibious action to Odessa.

Is it not posturing?

RN ships put to sea on a regular basis ffbnw, however, mess with them and you may or may not get an interview without coffee with an Astute.

RAF knowing there maybe shorebased NSM means they have to calculate with the threat - maybe move further out to sea, escort supply vessels - looks at the RN in the Baltic this week when we put a supply ship into Estonia.

Effective defense systems complicate things!

danonz · Mar 31, 2022

The gold standard of evacuation corridors (I would not be trying that)
I have now idea if the text is correct probably not.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509275346088177678

Ananda · Mar 31, 2022

CumbrianRover said:
not posturing?

I believe the Russian doing that. Basically they're screening all the Ukrainian shores not under their control. Practically they are bottling up Odessa. Somehow it works, as Ukraine (in my opinion) prematurely scuttle their own flag ship, because of that 'posturing'.

CumbrianRover said:
Effective defense systems complicates things!

Yes, Russian Navy I believe also calculating that Ukraine actually have some of that Neptune Land Based SSM operational. That's one of the reason I believe they are still keep some distance from Odessa.

Neptune Analyzing Ukraine’s Anti-Ship Missile - Overt Defense

With tensions running high and the threat of conflict looming between Ukraine and Russia, We take a look at Ukraine's Neptune Anti-Ship missile.

www.overtdefense.com

Perhaps why Ukraine did not ask (at least in media talking) on Land Based SSM. Because they have it, but not decided to use it yet. Unless I suspect Russian Navy making Amphibious operation. I don't know, that's just my speculations, as Ukraine already talk publicly this system already operational before this war.

OPSSG · Mar 31, 2022

koxinga said:
Warhead needs to be armed before it goes off. Not sure if NLAW's arming mechanism primes the warhead immediately after it leaves the tube or in this particular case, the warhead was not armed or defective.

IIRC 20 metres is the minimum arming distance for this ATGM. Normally there is an arming distance for many ATGMs, to prevent the person firing from dying.

At very short range, you want to fire unguided missiles — cheaper & just as effective (when the tactics used is correct).

T.C.P said:
Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.

There are very specific anti-armour tactics taught at the school of infantry weapons — that I prefer not to detail. It is not about the missile but how it should be employed, by a commander. There are also numerous tactically different scenarios, depending on mission objective — we use a lot of simulators to train troops before they go for a confidence firing — the mistakes will be caught in training 95% of the time.

If the employment of weapons is less than optimal, the team, as subject matter experts will tell the commander. There will be GPMG gunners, company marksmen (with M110s) that are deployed to a sector and supported by a sensor operator.

For Singapore, each infantry section is armed with the Matador (replacing the Armbust), each infantry company is armed with the Spike SR (replacing the 84mm RR) & each battalion is armed with the Spike LR (replacing the MILAN).

T.C.P · Mar 31, 2022

Mauripol Urban Combat

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tsm685
Some great urban combat footage featuring the Kadyrov boys. Dead bodies in the video be warned, the Chechens seem to be in very high morale.
A lot of people mocking the Chechens on Western forums and calling them tik tok battalions, but they have been involved in the heavy fighting in Mauriopol, that unscripted interview of the DPR soldier had praises for the chechens. I will try to find that interview video as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tslkwz More footage of the urban combat

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tskxbw Chechens laying down a barrage of RPG and rockets. That one rocket the end, that had flames coming out of it, is a Russian themobaric version of the Nlaw, forgot its name

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tsijla Russians handing out food to the civillians

Naval Strike
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tsb5mf
Russian Naval SHip launching Khaiblres

DPR ATGM attacks

An ATGM hit a gap in the wall, where, as stated in the video, there was a machine-gun point. March 2022, Ukraine, exact location unknown.

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/Hv34r • 5,861 points and 474 comments

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Probably the best ATGM shot I have seen in a while, they hit the whole in the wall. A true needle in the thread shot!

DPR ATGM hit a building allegedly with ukrainians inside.

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/Gluiper • 243 points and 192 comments

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Hitting a building with UA forces inside (alleggedly)

Another ATGM Hit on Ukrainian positions by the DPR somewhere in Donbass. Date unknown, shared today.

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/Vovkovych • 83 points and 30 comments

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Another ATGM strike

Russian SEAD

The Russian MoD published footage of the alleged destruction of a Buk-M1.

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/DrBoby • 93 points and 30 comments

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Apparently taking out a Buk launcher and radar and control vehicles

Missile Strikes

Video of Kalibr hitting administration building in Mykolaiv

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/god_milk • 1,025 points and 114 comments

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The Admin building in Mykolaiv that was struck and the after math photos

Destruction after the explosion of "Kalibr". Mykolaiv 29 March

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/ObjectiveNo821 • 1,835 points and 206 comments

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Russian Anti AIr

TOR-M1 SAM destroying Ukrainian UAV (Kharkov region)

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/Stng84 • 656 points and 212 comments

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Tor M-1 taking out an alleged TB2. We have been seeing much less videos of TB2 attacks from the UA, either the Russianwere right that they did take out most of the TB2s or the UA is following the Turkish request to not publish more videos of the TB2 in action.

Misc

Driver in Donbas is very happy to see a SU-25 on an attack run

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/Glideer • 243 points and 165 comments

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A very excited man wathcing a su-25. The child like excitement in his voice is sth else.

Russian armored vehicle runs into a mine - drone footage [music removed]

Posted in r/CombatFootage by u/DrudenSoap • 2,177 points and 195 comments

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Russian vehicle hit by mine

T.C.P · Mar 31, 2022

Ananda said:
Somehow it works, as Ukraine (in my opinion) prematurely scuttle their own flag ship, because of that 'posturing'.

A single Khalibre from one of the Russian Navy's missile boats would have destroyed that ship. Ukraine did the right thing. A Russian missile boat taking out the Ukrainian flag ship would have made for great propaganda footage for the Russians.

It sucks losing tanks and air planes, but there is something very visceral about a ship being sunk by a missile, that would greatly demoralize the defenders and improve the morals of the attacker.

OPSSG · Mar 31, 2022

@T.C.P, there are a lot of videos on the Chechens — some forums are calling them tik tok battalions, which is harsh — there might be tactical reasons. This is because they are at times seen just making common 3rd rate conscript mistakes — trainers will do after action reviews or yell at trainees, when these sort of mistakes are made.

T.C.P · Mar 31, 2022

OPSSG said:
@T.C.P, there are a lot of videos on the Chechens — some forums are calling them tik tok battalions, which is harsh — there might be tactical reasons. This is because they are at times seen just making common 3rd rate conscript mistakes — trainers will do after action reviews or yell at trainees, when these sort of mistakes are made.

That and their initial videos of them singing that they would be inside Kyev in 24 hours made them look like idiots. But from all indication, they have been in the thick of things in Mauriopol.

OPSSG · Mar 31, 2022

1. Watch this to see conscripts being f##ked by instructors for poor tactics. You can see smoke being used to get across a danger area to enter the urban area from the jungle — there is about a 3 second window to clear a danger area. The fights are not static.

(a) Later, the instructor is shouting — if you don’t have line of sight — don’t fire. Aim and shoot. BTW, ammo usage is heavy in urban warfare — don’t waste bullets that need to be resupplied.

(b) In the middle of a fire fight, the conscripts talk about 1 person keeping watch on the enemy firing — the rest of the section do a flanking attack, over the wall in another direction — this is about how to find and fix the enemy. The decision making process here is quite poor. It’s too slow to fight a thinking enemy.

(c) You can see these conscripts being f##ked left, right and centre. While the enemy keeps moving after firing. To find, fix and kill a moving enemy is not easy.

T.C.P said:
…they have been in the thick of things in Mauriopol.

2. Urban warfare is very unforgiving, even if soldiers are from a well trained unit executing a competent plan. A bit of luck and good TTPs are needed, to stay in the fight.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509230681506959368

3. If you can’t see the enemy, don’t shoot. I have no idea why the Chechens want to waste ammo to shoot at nothing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1508447343166861314

4. This is a staged video to pretend that they are using suppressive fire to cross a danger area is one way of doing it. A more effective way is to use smoke grenades to cross the danger area. I don’t even know what sort of targets they are shooting at in the above video — if the enemy is hidden well, they would taken multiple causalities at this danger area — based on their tactics. We will see how many Chechens remain in the fight in the next 14 days. The stupid tend to die first.

Feanor · Mar 31, 2022

Update.

Around Kiev.

Artillery exchanges. Location and context unclear.

Неофициальный Безсонов

Киев сейчас. Военные позиции под огнём. Кто говорил об отказе от демилитаризации и денацификации Украины? Демилитаризация на лицо.

t.me

Aerial footage of battle damage in Irpen'.

ZERGULIO

Ирпень

t.me

Russian T-72B3 destroyed near Kiev.

Русский танк Т-72Б3 в Лукьяновке под Киевом, 27 марта 2022г.

gurkhan.blogspot.com

Ukrainian positions near Kiev, note the SHORAD (Shilka and 2XTunguskas) and a MBT.

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