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Volkodav

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Well we could have a repeat of what happened in the Korean War when HMAS Bataan escorted the USS Bataan. Don't know if naming one of the Frigates HMAS Washington would be that great an idea.
Just imagine a future port visit mistakes Our Canberra for their Canberra. They are expecting a couple of dozen Americans and instead get a couple of hundred Aussies. Could be the making of an international incident after their pubs are drunk dry.
 

ASSAIL

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It's not the first USS Canberra. After HMAS Canberra was sunk in the Battle of Savo Island a Baltimore Class cruiser was named USS Canberra in honor of the ship. This is the second and given it is an Austal hull I can see the contection.
It's only just that the USN named a new Canberra considering that HMAS Canberra was sunk by a torpedo from USS Bagley, a direct hit into one of her boiler rooms and the killer blow for Canberra as the explosion caused a flashback in all eight boiler rooms destroying the dynamos thus losing all electrical power to all of her pumps.
 

oldsig127

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I just found out the first three:

HMAS Flinders
HMAS Hunter
HMAS Tasman
Cool. Source? Doesn't quite fit the Australian Rivers theme, unless the second is to be HMNZS Tasman. ;-)

oldsig

(EDIT HMAS Burnett would seem appropriate today, since yesterday the former Tobruk was towed from the mouth to be sunk as a reef today)
 
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ASSAIL

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I just found out the first three:

HMAS Flinders
HMAS Hunter
HMAS Tasman
So, early explorers it is then. John Hunter was responsible for the early surveys close to the new colony, he was an excellent seaman and surveyor as well as commanding Sirius in the First Fleet.
He went on to become NSW Governor before handing over too King. The other two need no introduction.
 

Redlands18

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Cool. Source? Doesn't quite fit the Australian Rivers theme, unless the second is to be HMNZS Tasman. ;-)

oldsig

(EDIT HMAS Burnett would seem appropriate today, since yesterday the former Tobruk was towed from the mouth to be sunk as a reef today)
Sounds a bit Geographical, Hunter Valley, Flinders Ranges, Tasman Sea,
so possible follow ups could include
Cape York
Coral Sea(one i would like to Sea for its Historical significance)
Carpentaria
Kimberley
Uluru
Nullabor.
 

Volkodav

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It's only just that the USN named a new Canberra considering that HMAS Canberra was sunk by a torpedo from USS Bagley, a direct hit into one of her boiler rooms and the killer blow for Canberra as the explosion caused a flashback in all eight boiler rooms destroying the dynamos thus losing all electrical power to all of her pumps.
What would have been even better is if they gifted her to us in compensation. She received a guided missile conversion and served into the 70s, which, I believe, is why we had to do without a Canberra for so long, convention being allies did not operate ships with the same name. I wonder what changed.
 

rjtjrt

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BAe are to be prime, with ASC Shipbuilding as a temporary subsidiary.
I trust the contract will ensure at the end, ASC is not left a run down facility as BAe had no incentive to invest as it got towards relinquishing control.
 

Redlands18

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So, early explorers it is then. John Hunter was responsible for the early surveys close to the new colony, he was an excellent seaman and surveyor as well as commanding Sirius in the First Fleet.
He went on to become NSW Governor before handing over too King. The other two need no introduction.
Named after WHITE Explorers, don't know if thats going to go to well in certain quarters these days.
 

Redlands18

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BAe are to be prime, with ASC Shipbuilding as a temporary subsidiary.
I trust the contract will ensure at the end, ASC is not left a run down facility as BAe had no incentive to invest as it got towards relinquishing control.
Only if they are not interested in building the next Ship Class, which will replace the Hobarts. The first of which is due to follow the last Frigate 18 months later. By the early 30s we will be talking about the next Gen AWD.
 

ASSAIL

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Named after WHITE Explorers, don't know if thats going to go to well in certain quarters these days.
Putting aside the PC bs early European maritime explorers opens up a rich vein of names; Cook, Dampier, Bass, Banks, Hartog, Houtman, King and Laperouse just for starters.
We can save the indigenous names for another class of ships as their maritime exploration isn’t of the same magnitude as those brave men.
 

Boatteacher

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It's only just that the USN named a new Canberra considering that HMAS Canberra was sunk by a torpedo from USS Bagley, a direct hit into one of her boiler rooms and the killer blow for Canberra as the explosion caused a flashback in all eight boiler rooms destroying the dynamos thus losing all electrical power to all of her pumps.
I thought they had only recently accepted this analysis. Until then it is only a small exaggeration to say they more or less blamed the defeat on their Australian partners and UK Admiral.
 

Redlands18

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Putting aside the PC bs early European maritime explorers opens up a rich vein of names; Cook, Dampier, Bass, Banks, Hartog, Houtman, King and Laperouse just for starters.
We can save the indigenous names for another class of ships as their maritime exploration isn’t of the same magnitude as those brave men.
I don't disagree that they would be great names at all.
 

Redlands18

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My source is the CN.

Named after ‘Major Australian Regions’
New England will do nicely(grew up just out of Tamworth) and we can tell the Yanks thats our reply to USS Canberra, never know the difference.
Who actualy picks the names, i know the Governor General signs off on them but is it, he is sent the list and just Rubber Stamps it or does he actually do the choosing as well.

PS Todjaeger will probably like New England..
 

Cadredave

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Sorry mate,
CN is Chief of Navy
Doh being ex military i should of picked that up, I misunderstood it for an abbreviation to do with an Aussie publication do you have a link to his comments or was he talking as part of the PM entourage, coverage here in NZ is non existent which is no big surprise. Overall well done to all in getting over the line as I believe this is where the hard works begins to make these plans into reality.

CD
 

Thewookie

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Not one single word, as is appropriate. BAE is prime, they'll have ASC Shipbuilding as a temporary subsidiary and be responsible as prime for choosing who else gets work. If they can work with Austal (and Lurssen couldn't!) they'll be responsible fr results good or bad.

oldsig
BAE Systems have got their own yard and facilities at Williamstown in Victoria they can utilise as well, unless they are forced to use WA/SA companies only.
 
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