F-35 Multirole Joint Strike Fighter

[jack412]

I came across this article on the su-35, which I thought was a tarted up su-27 till now, I now realise why fanboys are so fired up, it truely is a world beater
video of this f-22 killer is in the link

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48 advanced Su-35 fighters arrive in the Russian Air Force until the end of 2015. The machine is set up on the latest technology "electric airplane" and in quality superior to foreign models, including the American F-22s novelty.

An aircraft with a high specification to replace an absent until the Russian fifth generation fighter aircraft. The aircraft engines with thrust vector control, which makes the car very maneuverable - Su-35 can be deployed in the sky, almost on the spot.

"The plane can carry the full range of aerobatic maneuvers. Even at zero speed when the machine can not be controlled with rudders, thrust vector control allows the aircraft in the right direction," - said the deputy chief designer of the Su-35 Vyacheslav Zenkin.

By car, installed a new radar system "Irbis-E", allows you to see objects at a distance of 400 kilometers. In addition, the fighter is able to track the movement of 30 goals, eight of which he can attack simultaneously. In addition, the fighter is able to track the movement of 30 goals, eight of which he can attack simultaneously.

The Su-35 is equipped with modern weapons complex. Ammunition weighing about 8 tons includes missiles with laser, radar and thermal imaging guidance.

The plane costs about $ 40 million, while foreign models of this level is estimated at 300 million dollars.

Fighter interested in Venezuela, China and Libya. Reached a preliminary agreement that Libya can be delivered 12 Su-35 fighters.

 

[Haavarla]

We all seen those lame advertizments, Sukhoi have several baaad ones(vids), but so does other manufactors.
Its just how these marked adv works..

 

[ADMk2]

We all seen those lame advertizments, Sukhoi have several baaad ones(vids), but so does other manufactors.
Its just how these marked adv works..

Except everyone chooses which marketing company's nonsense they choose to believe.

They take the marketing specs which are generally selected under the most ideal conditions and without any explanation of the conditions under which they were achieved (if they were even achieved) and then apply them as if they occur under any potential flight condition for their pet favourites, whilst denying same to those they don't care for.

Unfortunately reality doesn't work that way.

Some people under the right conditions might be able to fire a 5.56mm rifle accurately to 600m or more. That doesn't mean everyone can especially under the stress of a combat situation.

 

[jack412]

for those that want a trip down memory lane to 1998, search JSF in the pdf, although kopp was still selling the f-22, he begrudgingly ok'ed a f-22/f-35 hi-lo mix. it can't be copy pasted, so you will need to pick out your own good bits. it's surprising how mellow he was back then and how good the JSF was

http://www.ausairpower.net/nf-98-print.pdf

 

[jack412]

so much for canceling, Norway has increased its order

http://www.govconwire.com/2012/03/report-norway-to-buy-more-lockheed-f-35-jets/

The Norwegian government released a white paper Friday, outlining revised plans to purchase four additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighter planes and training jets.

The country will purchase 52 of the planes, including four training planes, from 2015 through 2023 or 2024, the white paper said.

The country previously planned to purchase 48 planes from 2016 to 2020, according to Reuters.

 

[Air Force Brat]

so much for canceling, Norway has increased its order

Report: Norway to Buy More Lockheed F-35 Jets

The Norwegian government released a white paper Friday, outlining revised plans to purchase four additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighter planes and training jets.

The country will purchase 52 of the planes, including four training planes, from 2015 through 2023 or 2024, the white paper said.

The country previously planned to purchase 48 planes from 2016 to 2020, according to Reuters.

Yes LockMart just received its first center fuse section off the Northrupp/Grumman IAL robotic line at Palmdale,Ca so that should help speed things along, I believe they had delivered 69 previous center sections, but this is the first one off the robotic line at Palmdale. Cheers Brat

 

[Vivendi]

so much for canceling, Norway has increased its order

Report: Norway to Buy More Lockheed F-35 Jets

The Norwegian government released a white paper Friday, outlining revised plans to purchase four additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighter planes and training jets.

The country will purchase 52 of the planes, including four training planes, from 2015 through 2023 or 2024, the white paper said.

The country previously planned to purchase 48 planes from 2016 to 2020, according to Reuters.

Wrong.

Before the eval started, a preliminary assessment put the number of a/c at 48. The eval process however put the recomended minimum at 52, + 4 training a/c, so a total of 56.

This was deemed to expensive and therefore the Defence Chief asked for 48+4 not the recommended 52+4.

Now they have stated they may reduce the number of a/c to between 42+4 to 48+4. The decision has not been made yet however and will probably be determined by how expensive this will be in the end.

Google Oversetter

 

[jack412]

thanks mate, that adds to the white paper from the link I put up, money is always a problem,
from your link, it seems there will be an initial order for 42 with another 6-10 in the wings
the goal is 52 and it looks like it might be a staged buy if the white paper gets up

"- 42 is the minimum
- We will phase in 42 aircraft before we decide on the last six. -. One can imagine that the security situation at the time indicates that there is less or more need for six more. .
But our ambition is 52 aircraft, says Eide.
The decision to buy the six aircraft will be around 2021."

 

[Haavarla]

Any more news on the comunication suite on the F-35A?

Norway has issued concern about it not beeing able to cover all the High North Artic region..

 

[StobieWan]

Any more news on the comunication suite on the F-35A?

Norway has issued concern about it not beeing able to cover all the High North Artic region..

I think they're in the same position that Canada is in - that at extreme latitudes, normal VHF doesn't propagate well and the fallback is satcomms. Space is reserved for the gear in early blocks and the capability will be delivered on block mmm...memory suggests 3 but I'm guessing here.

Both customers have known this for a fair while and it's down to them to either integrate their own kit or accept the capability when it arrives on the appropriate block.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Yes LockMart just received its first center fuse section off the Northrupp/Grumman IAL robotic line at Palmdale,Ca so that should help speed things along, I believe they had delivered 69 previous center sections, but this is the first one off the robotic line at Palmdale. Cheers Brat

The first RNLAF F-35 was recently rolled out at FW assembly plant, designated AN-1 it is headed to the Eglin School House, where it will be joined by pilots and maintainers going through the school house. Incidentally the second flight out of the school house went off uneventfully, I believe it was a Marine B, with a flight of 93 minutes, you guys are right bad news travels much faster than good news. Hopefully the upgraded time and attention to the project will start to deliver more good new soon.

 

[Air Force Brat]

The first RNLAF F-35 was recently rolled out at FW assembly plant, designated AN-1 it is headed to the Eglin School House, where it will be joined by pilots and maintainers going through the school house. Incidentally the second flight out of the school house went off uneventfully, I believe it was a Marine B, with a flight of 93 minutes, you guys are right bad news travels much faster than good news. Hopefully the upgraded time and attention to the project will start to deliver more good news soon.

There continues to be lots of controversy in Canada, wow.

 

[SpudmanWP]

What's the worse that's likely to happen:
1. Canada decides to re-compete in 2013 with a head-to-head competition
2. LM sends up a couple of LRIP 5 (Blk2B) jets from Eglin for a month
3. Boeing sends the F-18F and F-15E+, France sends the Rafale, Germany the EF, Sweden the NG (Demo model), a Russian even sends the SU-35.
4. The F-35 spanks the crap out of all comers
5. The F-35 loses a little ground on the maintenance cost front.
6. Wheeler, Sprey, BS, ELP, APA et al, and Russian/Chinese spies (um I mean observers) pick their collective jaws off the floor and try to find something wrong with the F-35 to pick on.
7. The Canadians again pick the F-35 and unfortunately has to wait longer to get it.
8. LRIP jets cost a little more due to Canadian delay.

 

[colay]

What's the worse that's likely to happen:
1. Canada decides to re-compete in 2013 with a head-to-head competition
2. LM sends up a couple of LRIP 5 (Blk2B) jets from Eglin for a month
3. Boeing sends the F-18F and F-15E+, France sends the Rafale, Germany the EF, Sweden the NG (Demo model), a Russian even sends the SU-35.
4. The F-35 spanks the crap out of all comers
5. The F-35 loses a little ground on the maintenance cost front.
6. Wheeler, BS, the APA, and Russian/Chinese spies (um I mean observers) pick their collective jaws off the floor and try to find something wrong with the F-35 to pick on.
7. The Canadians again pick the F-35 and unfortunately has to wait longer to get it.
8. LRIP jets cost a little more due to Canadian delay.

Pretty much agree. Also, Canadian industry is significantly invested in the F-35 and it wouldn't do to jeopardize the business opportunities.

 

[jack412]

Any more news on the comunication suite on the F-35A?

Norway has issued concern about it not beeing able to cover all the High North Artic region..

this is from Canada who are in a similar situation, cutting through the jargon and in brief, they give them a sat phone for the time being

Q3.15 When will the F-35 be capable of SATCOM?

A3.15 SATCOM is currently planned to be included in the Block 4 of the F-35 follow-on development program, currently scheduled in the 2020 timeframe. Canadian
F-35As are therefore currently forecasted to be equipped with BLOS communication in time for Canada’s declaration of Initial Operational Capability (IOC).

Q3.16 Why was the installation of SATCOM in the F-35 intentionally delayed?

A3.16 Although originally intended to be included in earlier versions of the F-35, a conscious decision was made within the JSF Partnership to delay upgrading the F-35 with SATCOM until later in the program. The aim of this deferment was to await emerging satellite constellation/capability developments and the maturing of associated enabling technologies, and to thereby avoid the investment of funds into waning technologies/capabilities.

Q3.17 Can the F-35A communicate in the Arctic?

A3.17 Yes, the F-35A will be fully capable of communicating in the Arctic.

Recent reports concerning delays in the F-35’s SATCOM system has led to public misinformation, which has implied that a lack of SATCOM constitutes an inability to maintain communications in the Arctic.

The F-35 is capable of multiple alternate forms of communication, all of which contribute to maintaining reliable communications in the Arctic.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Pretty much agree. Also, Canadian industry is significantly invested in the F-35 and it wouldn't do to jeopardize the business opportunities.

Yes, I hear you there, as there are lots of subcontractors who are really hurting due to delays on the line, as I said, I'm sure that some of the rollback in production will give them more time and resources to pursue getting it right.

 

[Todjaeger]

What's the worse that's likely to happen:
6. Wheeler, BS, the APA, and Russian/Chinese spies (um I mean observers) pick their collective jaws off the floor and try to find something wrong with the F-35 to pick on.

Not to pick on anyone (honest!) but you left out Sprey...

-Cheers

 

[SpudmanWP]

Et al should cover it

 

[Sea Toby]

There continues to be lots of controversy in Canada, wow.

The recent political row over the JSF is more about costs than military capability. The current government used fly off costs whereas their opposition is including operational and maintenance costs over the next 35 years. Not once in their past have any of the parties used long term overall costs when buying any equipment. But to win political brownie points, the Liberal Party is today with the JSF. The Liberal Party has gone as far as accusing the Conservatives to lying about the JSF costs. Keep in mind it was the Liberal Party which started Canada's participation with the JSF program.

So instead of a USD 15 billion, costs almost double to USD 25 billion. Its a joke in my opinion as no one considers operational and maintenance costs over 5 years, much less 35 years when they buy an automobile or truck. Never mind which aircraft they buy, these operational and maintenance costs will be similar, just as similar with any automobile or truck they buy. Furthermore, such costs over the next 35 years is only an estimate, no one really knows how much oil will run over the next 35 years. Not unless they have a very clear crystal ball.

The truth is Canada will buy the aircraft now, and pay operational and maintenance costs later. They aren't funding now future operational and maintenance costs today. Appears Canada hasn't learned anything from the Merlin helicopter program, nothing but political party hacking.

You would think an intelligent nation as Canada would have figured this out by now. I am sure the taxpayers are rightfully upset about this political blurring of fighter aircraft costs.

 

[Beatmaster]

You would think an intelligent nation as Canada would have figured this out by now. I am sure the taxpayers are rightfully upset about this political blurring of fighter aircraft costs.

I think a intelligent nation as the US would realize that their JSF program is a epic fail.
Ever changing costs, delays, wrong info and so on....one disaster after another
Granted the end product will be top of the line no worries there, but i think we all can agree that the program itself leaves ALOT to be desired and will scare potential buyers away.
And it will be a daunting task for the US lobby to sell the JSF because the program has so many flaws.:dance