PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter

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jack412

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i think you mean the rand report on the exercise

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Concerns about the F-35's performance have resulted partially from reports of simulations by RAND Corporation in which numerous Russian Sukhoi fighters defeat a handful of F-35s by denying tanker refueling.[83] As a result of these media reports, then Australian defence minister Joel Fitzgibbon requested a formal briefing from the Australian Department of Defence on the simulation. This briefing stated that the reports of the simulation were inaccurate and that it did not compare the F-35's performance against that of other aircraft.

This criticism of the F-35 has been dismissed by the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin as these simulations did not address air-to-air combat RAND has disavowed the critical remarks about the F-35 for the same reason and stated that no analysis was provided at that time regarding the performance of the F-35
 
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According to what I've understood, I'm not clear whether the 5th generation fighter will be a MiG, or a Sukhoi. The Indian and Russian aerospace industry are developing a 5th generation fighter. Now, perhaps MiG and the Sukhoi are working together, because I don't see Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Indian government organization, look at the designs of both the design bureaus of Sukhoi, and MiG. The 5th generation fighter is to serve in both the Russian and Indian Air forces, so there will be a basic 'meeting of minds', as the expression goes. I have no idea whether MiG and Sukhoi share the same design, and development bureau. There have been many interesting aircraft in the Soviet Air Force, like Tupolev's, Sukhoi's, MiG's, even Ilyushins, in the past. Why not call them all MiG's, or Sukhoi's, instead of differentiating, if the design/development bureau is the same? Anyway, I have not heard of any MiG, after the MiG-31, and MiG-29.
 
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muir

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vrus said:
I read of this 5th Generation Fighter that Russia is making. It is called the Su-47. They say it is to compete with the American F-35 JSF ??? :confused:
I heard India signed a deal to co-operate in this project. You guys heard any more on this ?


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.found nothing such interesting on the url below page. this is nothing but a developed ver. of su-37 as they say it.:p:
 
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muir

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vrus said:
I read of this 5th Generation Fighter that Russia is making. It is called the Su-47. They say it is to compete with the American F-35 JSF ??? :confused:
I heard India signed a deal to co-operate in this project. You guys heard any more on this ?...

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found nthing such interesting da blow syt.....jst an advanced ver. ot su-37:p:
 
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A.Mookerjee said:
According to what I've understood, I'm not clear whether the 5th generation fighter will be a MiG, or a Sukhoi. The Indian and Russian aerospace industry are developing a 5th generation fighter. Now, perhaps MiG and the Sukhoi are working together, because I don't see Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Indian government organization, look at the designs of both the design bureaus of Sukhoi, and MiG. The 5th generation fighter is to serve in both the Russian and Indian Air forces, so there will be a basic 'meeting of minds', as the expression goes. I have no idea whether MiG and Sukhoi share the same design, and development bureau. There have been many interesting aircraft in the Soviet Air Force, like Tupolev's, Sukhoi's, MiG's, even Ilyushins, in the past. Why not call them all MiG's, or Sukhoi's, instead of differentiating, if the design/development bureau is the same? Anyway, I have not heard of any MiG, after the MiG-31, and MiG-29.
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The MiG-35 is the latest MiG model, and it's a major reworking and redesign of the MiG-29.

The PAK-FA is a Sukhoi project. The prototype number is T-50. What the serial production index will be is unclear, though Su-50 seems to be a speculated name.
 
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tphuang

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actually, just read a recent kanwa interview with Sukhoi. They say that the design is unlikely to be changed by a lot, because they have been working on it for a while on this design. Guess we will have to wait to see if that does turn out to be the case.
 
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kay_man said:
however i feel it may be less stealthy than the F-22. The underside of the fighter doesnt look as clean as the f-22's.

anyway , expert opinion required.
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Underside is still being worked on, namely the weapons bay. Either way I have doubts about how you go about determining whether an aircraft looks less stealthy.. :rolleyes:
 
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parvas24

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Hope the avionics is equal or better than the F22 ...... also the weapons bay should be capable to hold American , Israeli , French missiles..... nearly full stealth I believe .which should give the IAF an edge ..
 
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parvas24 said:
Hope the avionics is equal or better than the F22 ...... also the weapons bay should be capable to hold American , Israeli , French missiles..... nearly full stealth I believe .which should give the IAF an edge ..
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India will have to insist on the FGFA being able to fire US and other western missiles, traditionally though the Russians prefer their customers to fire Russian missiles from Russian-origin aircraft. But then again India has gained a 'knack' to get platforms the best-in-world components, case in point the MKI
 
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India has 40% of the development. I'm sure that integrating foreign weapon systems will not be a major issue.
 
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Feanor said:
India has 40% of the development. I'm sure that integrating foreign weapon systems will not be a major issue.
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Would that percentage refer to the bearing of costs or to the percentage of development work undertaken. I am not too sure about the amount of work the Indian scientists and aeronautical specialists have actually done on the Pak-Fa. I feel its just mostly the funding aspect and some maybe minor involvement in the development, perhaps you can shed some light on this.
 
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A new youtube vid of the Pak-FA, but i suspect this is the second flight again.

[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx1Z4KJCpOU[/nomedia]
 
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dragonfire said:
Would that percentage refer to the bearing of costs or to the percentage of development work undertaken. I am not too sure about the amount of work the Indian scientists and aeronautical specialists have actually done on the Pak-Fa. I feel its just mostly the funding aspect and some maybe minor involvement in the development, perhaps you can shed some light on this.
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That refers to development of the FGFA variant of the T-50.

At least that's the best I've been able to come up with in terms of an answer. The actual funding by India is something like 8-10 billion. It's not yet been finalized.
 
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wow! look at those movable lerx!
from all the previous photos and videos, i was still unsure just exactly which axis they would rotate, and just how far.
 
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