US allies sold short on new fighters

[luca28]

For the 3rd or 4th time...

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[PeterCrisp]

To be fair to the US the countries who have the Eurofighter would not buy the F22 anyway as they can't afford it and don't need it anyway.

 

[funtz]

In short.
"Must have shiny plane".

Furthermore, with the permanent US air combat presence in Asia now confined to a handful of bases on the continent’s periphery, and other states (particularly China and India) rapidly developing their military strength, it is essential America’s allies possess strong air defense systems to maintain regional security and, thus, sustain peace in the region.

The refusal to export the Raptor is an impediment to this objective.

The present state of affairs does no credit to any of the parties concerned.

It reflects badly on the US for its shabby treatment of allies which are being told to pay top dollar for inferior military hardware.

And it shames those allies, such as Australia which have pathetically accepted the suggestion they should accept the scraps from America’s table, and pay through the nose for the privilege to do so!

This is the grim future being contemplated by US allies as they await the decision by the new Obama administration by March 1 on whether to terminate the F-22 project.

A decision to end the program will not only be to the detriment of the allies – the US military will also be caught short, with its air power composition in disarray because of a critical shortfall in the number of F-22s it needs to maintain global air superiority, and likely a subsequent increase in the number of inadequate JSFs it does not need and cannot use effectively in any real conflict.

It is a complex issue to be decided in the first weeks of the Obama administration, and there is a risk of it not being given the consideration required amid myriad other concerns, particularly the economic crisis.

So the importance of the matter cannot be overstated. Production of the Raptor must continue. To do otherwise could quite likely cause major shifts in global balances of power, with all the perils that entails. And that is in not in the interests of America or its closest friends.

Cant say about China, however our pilots will fall asleep on their way to Australia, so dont bother bying any on our account.

The talk of US military falling short is something i can understand, they should base some of the extra F-22s in Australia, seeing how she needs air defense so desperately.

 

[Aussie Digger]

What a crock of shite.

1. The USA is not dependent soley upon the F-22 to provide air superiority, no matter what Jensen, Kopp, Goon or any other of the APA nutjobs might write.

2. Our alliance with the USA is not dependent upon us having access to EVERY single US military capability. We have never been provided with US nuclear munitions, yet our alliance has remained strong. We have never been provided with US nuclear POWERED platforms, yet our alliance has remained strong. The list of military capabilities we have not accessed, nror been able to, is as long as Dr Jensen's arm, yet there is no mention of them. It shows his and his friend's obsession all too clearly.

3. Technology transfer is NOT the issue. We are already able to access technology that is more "advanced" than that contained within F-22.

4. The F-35 is not an "inferior" military capability in anyway whatsoever.

Luca28, who are you and why did you post this? What is your opinion of it? Do you agree with it, or not?

That is how a discussion works...

 

[locutus]

What a crock of shite.

1. The USA is not dependent soley upon the F-22 to provide air superiority, no matter what Jensen, Kopp, Goon or any other of the APA nutjobs might write.

2. Our alliance with the USA is not dependent upon us having access to EVERY single US military capability. We have never been provided with US nuclear munitions, yet our alliance has remained strong. We have never been provided with US nuclear POWERED platforms, yet our alliance has remained strong. The list of military capabilities we have not accessed, nror been able to, is as long as Dr Jensen's arm, yet there is no mention of them. It shows his and his friend's obsession all too clearly.

3. Technology transfer is NOT the issue. We are already able to access technology that is more "advanced" than that contained within F-22.

4. The F-35 is not an "inferior" military capability in anyway whatsoever.

Luca28, who are you and why did you post this? What is your opinion of it? Do you agree with it, or not?

That is how a discussion works...

I would also add something GF said on a thread on SP. Australia won't realize the full potential of the F-22 because she doesn't possess the same systems as the US. Most of the capabilities of this aircraft are unknown. My guess is no one would be able to exploit all of those capabilities unless they have the same systems such as Rivet Joint or have access to the US systems.

 

[METEORSWARM]

The f-22 is the maximum exponent Estaunidense with the technological capability and network ucavs uvas.

The problem is that if you sell the f-22 to its allies that their security nacional in 2 fields, the political and military.

Politically because raptor could use other COUNTRIES for assaulting and attack countrys no friends uncontrolled U.S.A.

Militar because advanced LOT technologically your allies but also other China Russia / India.

2008 U.S.A sell MISSILES Aegis to Japon = code Launch and programs China.

With f 22 same fear.Lots I+D,time and money for give free to country no friends.

 

[METEORSWARM]

The f-22 is the maximum exponent Estaunidense with the technological capability and network ucavs uvas.

The problem is that if you sell the f-22 to its allies that their security nacional in 2 fields, the political and military.

Politically because raptor could use other COUNTRIES for assaulting and attack countrys no friends uncontrolled U.S.A.

Militar because advanced LOT technologically your allies but also other China Russia / India.

2008 U.S.A sell MISSILES Aegis to Japon = code Launch and programs China.

With f 22 same fear.Lots I+D,time and money for give free to country no friends.

The important thing is that the f-22 f-35, Efa, Superhornet, Rafale and Gripen are on the same side.