Russian military to get new subs and missiles soon

The Watcher

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Is this just a bluff? Russia can't even manage to take care of its old fleet and they are thinking about new ones already! Recently Russia's military excercises failed to launch three missiles or they were launched but greatly missed their targeted and self-destructed!

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Russian military to get new subs and missiles soon - top officer

New submarines equipped with new missile complexes will soon join the Russian navy, First Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Military Forces Yuriy Baluyevskiy told a press conference on Thursday.

"The navy plans in the near future to receive both new missile boats and new missiles," he said. Baluyevskiy said that the development of the submarine fleet would in future remain one of the priority areas when forming the armed forces. "We will continue in this direction," he said.
Baluyevskiy also said the RSM-54 ballistic missile which self-destructed during a launch from the nuclear submarine Karelia on Wednesday is one of the most reliable used by the armed forces. "This missile is the most reliable missile we use. Before yesterday, only one out of 36 launches of this missile since 1992 had been unsuccessful," the general said. He recalled that during the launch of the RSM-54 from the Karelia "the missile deviated from its designated track". "A normal self-destruct system came into operation," he said.

He said that during the command and staff exercises "the Navy carried out both simulated and real missile launches".

Baluyevskiy added that the reasons for the unsuccessful launch from the Karelia would be investigated "both with the assistance of representatives of the defence industry and with assistance from military scientists".

[http://gazeta.ru/]
 

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Related article(you need to register to view full so I'll just post the whole thing):

Russia Tests Missile That Could Evade U.S. Defense
[LA Times]

MOSCOW — After two days of high-profile military exercises, Russian President Vladimir V. Putin said Wednesday that Russia had successfully tested a new strategic missile system, a development that analysts said could allow nuclear warheads to avoid U.S. defenses.

Putin, who is seeking reelection next month, did not identify the system, which he said would allow "deep maneuvering" of Russia's long-range missiles.

Russian and U.S. military analysts said his cryptic description could mean that Russia has developed a "maneuverable reentry vehicle" — a technology under development for decades that could provide a rudimentary guidance system for intercontinental missiles and render them difficult or impossible to destroy.

"Not a single country in the world has such a weapons system at the moment," Putin said, adding that the new "powerful means of warfare" would be deployed with the Strategic Rocket Forces "in the near future."
The Cold War ended with the breakup of the Soviet Union, but Putin's announcement at the conclusion of Russia's biggest nuclear exercise in 20 years is a signal that Russia is prepared to commit billions of dollars to continue an arms race with the U.S.

"This illustrates that the U.S. and Russia both continue to develop ever more modern and deadly ballistic missile systems, and the Cold War continues, despite the friendly words from Putin and despite the so-called arms-reduction treaty which they agreed to last year," said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Assn., an arms control advocacy group in Washington.

The Pentagon downplayed the announcement, saying that regardless of any successful test of new missile guidance technology, Russia has long had the capability to defeat the $30.2-billion antimissile defense program to be deployed in the U.S. this year, if only through the size of its ballistic missile inventory.

But former Assistant Defense Secretary Phil Coyle, now a senior advisor at the Center for Defense Information in Washington, said that if the Russians had developed a maneuverable warhead, "I think it would be very alarming to the Pentagon, because this would represent a kind of threat against which no missile defense system would be effective."

Putin's announcement followed a frustrating day during which an RSM-54 ballistic missile, launched from a submarine in the Barents Sea, suddenly veered off course 98 seconds after launch and self-destructed.
There were widespread reports a day earlier that submarine crews had tried and failed to launch two RSM-54s while Putin was aboard a nearby submarine, in a widely televised preelection demonstration of his role as commander of the armed forces.

Russian naval officials said the earlier launches were not failures, but were intended all along as simulations.

Several successful launches buttressed Putin's announcement of the new system. The military ended the exercise with the launch of a Topol RS-12M missile from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome, an RS-18 missile from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, and a military satellite.

Russian officials refused to define the new system tested during the launches, except to say it was a supersonic missile capable of "deep maneuvering, both in altitude and course."

Analysts said Russia has looked at equipping its state-of-the-art Topol missile with multiple warheads, an option that would greatly reduce the weapon's vulnerability to the U.S. missile defense system, which is designed to attack one warhead at a time.

Not long after President Bush pulled out of the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty in order to pursue the new defense program — now under preliminary construction in Alaska — Russian military leaders announced they no longer felt bound by previous agreements that prohibited missiles with multiple warheads.
But several Russian military analysts said Moscow probably had tested a long-range missile with guidance capability — the equivalent of a space cruise missile.

"The president is talking about an intercontinental missile which is capable of aerodynamic maneuvering in space or in the atmosphere, meaning … a hybrid between a ballistic missile and a cruise missile," said Alexei G. Arbatov, former deputy chief of the parliament's defense committee and now a security specialist at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations in Moscow.

Alexander Golts, defense analyst for the journal Yezhenedelny, said Putin probably has in mind a missile that could change its trajectory once separated from its rocket.

Current ballistic missiles are fired through the upper atmosphere and follow a fixed and predictable trajectory back down. The U.S. defense system is designed to deploy a field of interceptors in Alaska and California that would fly into space to meet and destroy such a missile.

"But if they had maneuvering reentry vehicles and were able to veer around the sky as they came down, that would be especially daunting for a missile defense system," Coyle said.

Putin's announcement may have been intended to toughen Russia's image for a domestic audience, because as Coyle said, "Even without the development Putin has just announced, the Russians already know they can overwhelm our missile defense system as soon as it's built."

U.S. officials have long acknowledged that the system would not defend against Russian or Chinese technology.

"The threat is really the countries like North Korea that are developing long-range missiles and weapons of mass destruction that could be carried by the missiles. This is the primary threat that this missile system is designed to deal with," said a Pentagon official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Putin declined to characterize the testing as a return to the arms race. "I can say that the perfection of the kinds of weapons we have and the development of the new weapons systems are not aimed against the United States," he said.

But Putin noted that U.S. officials "have themselves been actively developing their weapons."

"We were told that these actions were not directed against the Russian Federation, and … it's true that the level and character of our relations confirms what our American partners told us," Putin said.

At the same time, he said, "we reserve the right to modernize our armed forces in the interest of ensuring the security of our own country."
 

gf0012-aust

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Analysts estimate that of all Russias penanted vessels, probably only 15-20% are seaworthy and operational.

I doubt the accuracy of the article only because Russia is barely able to sustain its current forces. It remains a power because of Nukes only.

The problem is endemic through the Russian ORBAT.

If they can't pay power bills and haven't paid the sailors and officers of their North Sea Fleet for 3 months, how do they propose to build new vessels.

Look at what happened to their last round of missile tests.
 

darklegent

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The Russians still use system which the Soviets designed for a complete different scenario. It is only natural for them to make weapons which would be logical for the world situation today. Give it time the Russian war machine will rise from the present gloomy period now.
 

corsair7772

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I dont think so. Theyre destroying their own economy by crushing their oil industry by first imprisoning sum head of the oil industry and then refusing a merger. :eek
 

gf0012-aust

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darklegent said:
The Russians still use system which the Soviets designed for a complete different scenario. It is only natural for them to make weapons which would be logical for the world situation today. Give it time the Russian war machine will rise from the present gloomy period now.
Their missile and C4i systems have changed. Thats the critical thing with weapons management. The russian missile, aircraft and naval systems are capable of being integrated - but they are probably a weapons system generation behind (at a minimum)

The issue for russia is being able to support itself on a failing economy - with not a bright future at that.
 

darklegent

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I accept all ur arguements but I still think that its only time that will heal a failed Communist Soviet Empire and will give rise to a successful and powerful Democratic Russia.
I may also add that outside the Allied West Powers( can also be read as America and NATO) only the Russian have the power to technologically challenge this bloc. I also agree that the weapons that the russian have are old but the upgrades that they undergo are rarely discussed in the open as against the much publicised updations the western blocs do. I may be wrong in alot of issues as with regard to this discussion BUT IF I WERE TO BET ON THE FUTURE, MY CHIPS ARE WITH THE RUSSIANS
 

gf0012-aust

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darklegent said:
I accept all ur arguements but I still think that its only time that will heal a failed Communist Soviet Empire and will give rise to a successful and powerful Democratic Russia.
I may also add that outside the Allied West Powers( can also be read as America and NATO) only the Russian have the power to technologically challenge this bloc. I also agree that the weapons that the russian have are old but the upgrades that they undergo are rarely discussed in the open as against the much publicised updations the western blocs do. I may be wrong in alot of issues as with regard to this discussion BUT IF I WERE TO BET ON THE FUTURE, MY CHIPS ARE WITH THE RUSSIANS
No, I'm not saying that yoiu are wrong at all, we both have different perceptions based on either the information at hand. I'm less optimistic as I've seen the condition of some of their naval vessels, their military personnel etc .. the russian economy is just not healthy, and it will take a long while to recover, meanwhile all the other economies will be moving forward still.

The russian quality standards are still very very ordinary - say comapred to QA standards in Europe and some companies that I have had to deal with in India. At a QA level with respect to weapons manufacture the russians cannot even begin to compete against Israeli, the quality difference is immediate - even to someone who doesn't know military hardware.
 

darklegent

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hahaha I give up buddy.... :hehe
Russian or even the Soviets were never good at quality. Man these people were communist. The attitude was take or leave it.
Any ways to what I no the russian still use missiles which were built about 20 years ago. It was these missles that mis-fired/guidance error and self distructed.
 
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