RAF considering turning Nimrods into bombers

Musashi_kenshin

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From The Times

"The RAF is drawing up plans to convert a fleet of 25-year-old patrol planes into Britain’s first long-range heavy bomber force since the Falklands war. The plan is being seen as Britain’s answer to America’s B-52 bomber, still in regular use more than 50 years after it first flew. The upgraded Nimrod reconnaissance planes, developed from 1950s Comet airliners, would be able to fly non-stop from Britain to hit targets in countries such as Iraq with cruise missiles or precision-guided bombs.

The RAF’s current bombers, mainly Tornados, have a far shorter range and, as in the Iraq war in 2003, depend on the use of airbases in nearby countries for attacking an enemy. Britain has not had the capability to launch long-range airstrikes since a Vulcan bomber attacked Port Stanley airfield during the Falklands conflict in 1982. The Vulcans were scrapped shortly afterwards. The cost and practicality of converting Nimrods is being studied and no final decisions have been taken, but senior RAF officials said a “big, versatile platform†could be valuable in attacking terrorist targets because of its long patrolling time and speedy response.

“We need to be able to find, identify, locate precisely, decide about and attack a target all within a small number of minutes, rather than the hours, or even days, that it’s taken us in the past,†Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, said in a speech to the Royal Aeronautical Society last week. “This is particularly true in the kinds of asymmetric [anti-terrorist] situations in which we increasingly have to operate.†RAF sources said the Nimrod upgrade would be a relatively cheap way of filling the gap in capabilities.

A dozen Nimrods are already being modernised to double their range to almost 7,000 miles and improve anti-submarine capability. Few of Britain’s potential enemies have submarines, however, and it is being earmarked for intelligence and communications. The study, by BAE Systems, is looking at the possibility of the planes carrying up to five Storm Shadows. These British-designed cruise missiles were first used in action by Tornados against Iraqi bunkers in 2003. The latest upgrade of the Nimrod, the MRA4, could be adapted to carry two Storm Shadows under each wing and another in a bomb bay. It could fly missions of 17 hours or more, with air-to-air refuelling, and hit targets with the missiles from up to 400 miles away."

Thoughts? Would this be a good idea, or is it not necessary in this day and age?
 

adsH

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This will be an interim Solution the last of its kind. we're shifting to the FOAS systems.where most of our long range strike Assets would be Unmanned. I always suspected that. since the latest Nimrod have the Some Ground Tracking capabilities has an enormous Cargo holding Capacity. I really don't see why this never happened before. This would certainly save money since we'll be using what we have got already.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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adsH said:
I really don't see why this never happened before. This would certainly save money since we'll be using what we have got already.
Yes, but it would require spending money at all. I guess the MoD just didn't think long-range bombers were necessary anymore after the Vulcan. Anyway, some pictures of her below.
 

gf0012-aust

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Technically they're not converting them into bombers - they're converting them to be able to launch extra missiles - so they are launch platforms only.

they're already railed for missiles, so this is just a buss conversion, some hardware changes and changes for weapons certification.

the article is misleading
 

adsH

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gf0012-aust said:
Technically they're not converting them into bombers - they're converting them to be able to launch extra missiles - so they are launch platforms only.

they're already railed for missiles, so this is just a buss conversion, some hardware changes and changes for weapons certification.

the article is misleading

I was thinking about that they Aren't adding extra Rails. At best these could be used during War time when they need the Storm Shadows in the theater. But I just have one question Did the nimrod have a bombay prior to the MRA4 Upgrade.
 

gf0012-aust

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adsH said:
I was thinking about that they Aren't adding extra Rails. At best these could be used during War time when they need the Storm Shadows in the theater. But I just have one question Did the nimrod have a bombay prior to the MRA4 Upgrade.
They were originally configured to launch light "Mk 46 sized" torpedoes, so the bay could be modified to carry cruisers. However, that would also require the cruise missiles to be modified for launch as well.

AFAIK there are no MR4's - the programme was stalled again recently.
 

adsH

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gf0012-aust said:
AFAIK there are no MR4's - the programme was stalled again recently.

Are you sure about that (obviously Your Sure!) I thought BAE was blowing this news Left and right when they succefully Test flew the modified Nimrod MR4
 

gf0012-aust

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adsH said:
Are you sure about that (obviously Your Sure!) I thought BAE was blowing this news Left and right when they succefully Test flew the modified Nimrod MR4
I should have qualified myself. Apart from the mule - AFAIK none have been streamed into any of the existing fleet. I was under the distinct impression that fleet upgrades had been stalled.

If the UK had any Mr4's they would have sent them instead of the Mr2 to this years Fincastle.
 
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According to Airforce Monthly magazine, (can't remember which month but it was recent) the MR4A program is still on track with 12 platforms likely to end up being ordered. I believe it is currently planned for them to be based in Scotland at the current MR2A base.

This program is similar to the RAAF plan to equip our AP-3C Orion's with long range precision stand-off attack missiles. The choice is now between SLAM-ER and JASSM, the Tauras KEPD 350 having withdrawn it's bid in April 2005. I personally think both weapons will end up being chosen...
 

Supe

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It reads like a stop-gap measure to me. There is only so much life you can get out of those ageing Nimrods. The question is then; are they thinking beyond the few years they will eke out of the Nimrod?
 
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