Pak ballistic missiles cannot be jammed

[Oqaab]

‘Pak ballistic missiles cannot be jammed’

By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: According to informed sources, the enemy will not be able to jam Pakistani ballistic missiles. The scientists and engineers of the country have made the most modern versions of Shaheen, Ghaznavi and Ghouri missiles with anti-jamming system. Pakistani experts have evolved this system on their own. The sources said that India-Israel nexus would not be a threat to Pakistan’s missile system. The experts have made another achievement by enhancing the speed of missiles up to 150 kilometres per minute due to which the anti-missile system of the enemy would become ineffective.

http://despardes.com/NewsExplorer/Pak_NewsBrief.html

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This means Green pine and Arrow ABM will not be able to guide and destroy Pakistan missiles ..... :smokingc:

 

[Frozen Hell]

India doesn't have arrow or green pine, does it? I don't think they do-they are lucky they got phalcon deal!

 

[Oqaab]

India doesn't have arrow or green pine, does it? I don't think they do-they are lucky they got phalcon deal!

But India may get this ABM system. Indian and Israeli officials discussed about the one billion deal of Arrow missiles in Sharon's visit to India.

 

[The Watcher]

Damn oqaab, you come up with strangest news! Any other source reporting this?

 

[Oqaab]

Comeon yaar watcher, whats so strange about it ???

India was negotiating for Arrow ABMs and Phalcon radars. The deal of phalcon has been signed by the three countries but there is no confirmation of 1 or 1.5 billion deal of Arrow. U should kow this, since the links are now too old, its difficult for me to find out but I'll try to find for u.

 

[jupitor]

strange but interesting. but is this anti jamming facility effective only against indian countermeasures or also against israeli abmsystems?

 

[Oqaab]

strange but interesting. but is this anti jamming facility effective only against indian countermeasures or also against israeli abmsystems?

India isnt making any ABM system. It will only purchase Israeli ABM and Pakistani anti-jamming system will keep Pakistani missiles away from Arrow ABMs.

 

[Red aRRow]

I don't understand what is going on. Jamming is when interference to an electromagnetic wave is done by adding noise deliberately.
I think ballistic missiles have their guidance systems on board and are not being actively guided by an outside source (e.g. ground based radar). The systems on board are usually inertial. The coordinates of the target are fed in and once the missile is launched it has no contact with the outside world. (Well this is how I understand ballistic missiles...please correct me if I am wrong).
Now based on this theory, since the missile has its guidance system on board...it means it can be totally shielded from the outside world...and thus jamming is impossbile. Jamming is only possible when a missile is being actively guided, and to put it simply, the jammer interferes into the EM waves which are guiding the missile thus producing noise and preventing the necessary information (which is carried in the bandwidth) to reach the missile. So IMO jamming doesn't even come into play in case of ballistic missiles.

On the other hand the thing the author said about Pakistani missiles having high terminal speeds is true. In the final phase of the missile's descent towards its intended target ...the Shaheen series has the highest speeds. Thus making it impossible for any ABM system to counter it.

 

[Oqaab]

U r right shamayel that ballistic missiles are not easy to jam but I think the person who claimed this means that speedy Pakistani missiles will not be able come in Arrow's range.

 

[Red aRRow]

Yeah I knew this Hanif Khalid guy was talking BS about this jamming stuff. :roll

 

[corsair7772]

Im not sure abt Jamming but Ballistic missiles can be redirected a bit by interferin with frequenicies.

 

[gf0012-aust]

There are three methods of killing a ballistic missile

kinetic kill
disruptive kill
laser

the issue with ballistic missiles is to kill them before they hit atmospheric break. The whole idea of the airborne laser system is that BMEWS stations send the launch location to the airborne THED laser and then the laser destroys the missile at an early launch stage (airborne THED)

kinetic kills require a direct hit, this is difficult at re-entry speed and any earlier would require a system relatively close to the launch site (like the old nike-zeus system)

a disruptive kill only requires the detonation of a sufficient destabilising blast at a converging point (like patriot/arrow)

Ballistic missiles aren't "jam" proof. You would need to knock out a series of satellites (and these are in an orbit path beyond the range of sat killers)
Maybe there is confusion with the original poster about cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles. (or maybe its a variation of maskirovka)

 

[Awang se]

That is "jam" in the hard way. it requires a physical disruption to the missile. what they really meant is the soft jamming. like ECM or something like that. Following this statement, i can't help myself but to agree with Syamayel. There is no way to jam the missile electronicaly. The guidance were provided by gyros and onboard computers. Even the arming of warhead is done by accelerometer. There is no external guidance device intalled onboard the Ballistic Missile (provided no one fool enough to do so). Unlike cruise missile which fly at terrain following action and at subsonic speed, the Ballistic missile fly up high and then dive towards the target at enourmous speed. the flight time is also short which make the gyro a reliable guidance.

 

[gf0012-aust]

That is "jam" in the hard way. it requires a physical disruption to the missile. what they really meant is the soft jamming. like ECM or something like that. Following this statement, i can't help myself but to agree with Syamayel. There is no way to jam the missile electronicaly. The guidance were provided by gyros and onboard computers. Even the arming of warhead is done by accelerometer. There is no external guidance device intalled onboard the Ballistic Missile (provided no one fool enough to do so). Unlike cruise missile which fly at terrain following action and at subsonic speed, the Ballistic missile fly up high and then dive towards the target at enourmous speed. the flight time is also short which make the gyro a reliable guidance.

The next headache will be hypersonic PGM's, not so much subsonics like TLAMs etc.....

The electronic airspace is just getting busier every day..

 

[corsair7772]

yea, infact its gotten so busy tht the IFF system of recognizing friend or foe isnt viable anymore.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Mate, I wouldn't get that despondent, they'll always work out ways to IFF assets... too many "blue on blues" otherwise...

 

[Su_37]

Well guys , Balastic missiles can be stopped , well ther are Anti-Anti jamming devices , i think their role is not to jam, they use hopping freqiencies. missiles can de killed by either misguid their navigation system or by anti missile sys.

 

[Awang se]

Well guys , Balastic missiles can be stopped , well ther are Anti-Anti jamming devices , i think their role is not to jam, they use hopping freqiencies. missiles can de killed by either misguid their navigation system or by anti missile sys.

In that case, you need to find a way to connect to the onboard guidance system, i still couldn't figure out how. maybe there someone out there who can. it is also possible to change the guidance data during pre-launch sequence. But that required a tap into the system that pass on telemetry data to the missile.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Well guys , Balastic missiles can be stopped , well ther are Anti-Anti jamming devices , i think their role is not to jam, they use hopping freqiencies. missiles can de killed by either misguid their navigation system or by anti missile sys.

In that case, you need to find a way to connect to the onboard guidance system, i still couldn't figure out how. maybe there someone out there who can. it is also possible to change the guidance data during pre-launch sequence. But that required a tap into the system that pass on telemetry data to the missile.

Awang se is correct. Its a closed system. The only way to counter it is to:

kinetic kill the ICBM
proximity kill the ICBM
fry the sats involved in the target acquisition update process
or, you could try shifting the target.

 

[Awang se]

Mentioning about the kinetic kill, i heard about the magnetic propulsion. how is it turn out?