Japenses 5th generation fighter
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I have never heard of the F-3 and read Aviation magazines/websites etc... For an 2010 date I would have to say that someone is playing tricks.fylr71 said:
Yeah, that's what struck me the most - year of comission: 2010. Well, I too read aviation magazines and websites and watch documentaries on TV whenever I get the chance, so not hearing of this project and seeing it's supposedly due to enter service in 2010 made me smell hoax. Turns out, after I've googled it, it is a hoax. Hah!:haha
contedicavour
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Hasn't Japan expressed interest in the F-35 Lightning II ?
It would be a good enough (and cheaper) replacement for F4J and F15J than the F22 (even supposing the US would export it at all).
Then the Japanese could customize some components and label the F-35 "J" just simply F-3
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It would be a good enough (and cheaper) replacement for F4J and F15J than the F22 (even supposing the US would export it at all).
Then the Japanese could customize some components and label the F-35 "J" just simply F-3
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Note - this is archive material and I haven't seen much more about FI-X since 2001. I speculate it would only have been seriously pursued if Japan believed it could not get access to F-22. As for F-35, surely JASDF would need a heavyweight interceptor/fighter in the air defence role to meet its demands (historically speaking F-5J, F-15J etc)?
I have always believed that Japan would be one of the very few nations who may get access to an "austere" version of the F-22 (and one of the even fewer nations who could afford it) and I still believe this to be the case.
Izzy is correct; the JASDF is not looking for a new light weight fighter but a fast two engined fighter. The F-15J's are coming to the end of their lives, and the JASDF is finally adding AMRAAM capabilities. The F-4J are very close to the end of their structural fatigue life from I have read recently. The F-22 could cover the same area around Japan with probably a smaller number of aircraft because of its greater range and radar then the F-15J's in service. The only real big question is will Congress let them buy the fighter? Most likely Japan will want to build all or most of the aircraft in Japan, but some parties in the U.S. military are apprehensive about this because the of the close proximity to Russia, China, and N. Korea.
They wouldn't get it to replace the F-15Js radar, that's why they have AWACs.LancerMc said:
If and I mean if congress lets them have the F-22, it WILL be made here. That is the only reason to keep the production lines open, for domestic cost saving. Shipping production doesn't create jobs here and doesn't cut batch cost savings. ie defeating the purpose.
Very true with the AWACS currently in service there is no need for an upgraded radar system. Though the AESA radar has the future advantage of probably being an excellent intelligence source mapping ground targets at long distances.
I am complete agreement with you about production the F-22 in the U.S. North Korea has been quite adapt at spying in Japan the past few decades. They are still rumored to have a lot of sleeper agents in the country. China would probably try their best to get agents into any F-22 production facilities in Japan. I think Japan could at best hope to build some parts in their factories and ship them to the states.
I am complete agreement with you about production the F-22 in the U.S. North Korea has been quite adapt at spying in Japan the past few decades. They are still rumored to have a lot of sleeper agents in the country. China would probably try their best to get agents into any F-22 production facilities in Japan. I think Japan could at best hope to build some parts in their factories and ship them to the states.
I've been whining about this with my Senator (who sits on the Armed Services Committee) and promises if they do get the deal it will all be made in the US. If they can't except that stipulation then no sale. I think it's a small price to pay for total air dominance.LancerMc said:
contedicavour
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I still see the F35 as the best replacement for the F4J and F15J in terms of cost-performance. Unless the JASDF is ok to cut its numbers by 4 or 5 to operate a few F22s. Even an economic superpower like Japan would only be able to buy a few.
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Musashi_kenshin
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I'd agree with that. Maybe a happy medium could be found, with a few "elite" squadrons of F-22s mixed in with a larger number of F-35s. But certainly I don't think Japan should sacrifice too much in the way of numbers just to have as many Raptors as it can afford.contedicavour said:
It is worth noting that currently Japan is only spending 1% of GDP of defence, so there's scope to increase funding for things like a F-22 purchase, or simply have a special weapons purchase bill passed.
Would their perhaps be a time limit on when the US would release the design of the F-22, say in 10 years when someone matches it, they start spreading them out. And how long for the production line to deliever the entire order for the USAF?Musashi_kenshin said:
The problem for Japan at the moment would be that the F-22 would be seen more as an attack fighter then for Defence, with all the flash gear and semi-stealth capabilities. The F-35 may be viable in the way of replacement in a few years.
The reason Japan spends only 1% of their GDP is because their defence force is purely for defence. With the selection of Abe to replace Koizumi, who is known to be a reformer and keen for Japan to have a greater part on the worlds stage, then Article 9 may be scrapped, which would open the way for Japan to spend more on their forces, and a future purchase of the F-22, noting my first paragraphs argument.
He(abe) also spoke of the need to revise Japan's pacifist constitution, which bans the use of military force. "We need a new constitution that fits better for how Japan should be in the 21st century," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5304596.stm
Musashi_kenshin
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Japan wouldn't need to scrap Article 9 to allow it to purchase F-22s. According to Article 9 the JSDF shouldn't exist, so that shows how pointless it is if read too narrowly.icelord said:
Abe could easily say that Raptors would help provide Japan with air-defence superiority. They wouldn't be that useful for aggressive-offensive purposes unless they were backed up by other weapons like cruise missiles.
