Identification help !!!
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It looks like a modified BMP. I'd say it's a BMP Mule.
To me, it looks like a heavily messed-around BTR-80. Possibly a modified GAZ-59032 (Yes, I had to look that up, no catchy names like Bradley or Tiger 
)...So in that case, it would be a derivative of a derivative. :roll Edit: Though I would be inclined to gf's statement, as the foward-based turret and chassis do seem to bear a strong resemblance to a BMP-3...
Judging from the source, I took it that the image was snapped at the International Exhibition of Dual-Purpose Motor Vehicles in Bronnitsy near Moscow, if you hadn't already known. Hope that helps.
)...So in that case, it would be a derivative of a derivative. :roll Edit: Though I would be inclined to gf's statement, as the foward-based turret and chassis do seem to bear a strong resemblance to a BMP-3...Judging from the source, I took it that the image was snapped at the International Exhibition of Dual-Purpose Motor Vehicles in Bronnitsy near Moscow, if you hadn't already known. Hope that helps.
It's an Ob'yekt 1200 BMP experimental. I've answered the question on some of your other forum postings as well.
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Shamayel, the picture was taken at this site
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/slovo/sl23.htm
Unfortunately the site is in russian...... :? :? :?
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/slovo/sl23.htm
Unfortunately the site is in russian...... :? :? :?
It is not a GAZ-59032 / btr-80 commandpost vehicle derivative. See image:
It is also NOT the Ob'yekt 1200 - Wheeled BMP with rear mounted engine and 73mm gun - of 1964. The year matters as there was also an Ob'yekt 1200 in 1954, which was the prototype ZIL-153 BTR 4x4. The Ob'yekt 1200 of 1964 was an 8x8 BMP competitor built by Rybinsk. See images:
The vehicle we're trying to identify is probably related to Ob'yekt 1200 in the sense that it is another BMP-1 competitor prototype. In the late 1950s
it became necessary to create a new type of weapon that was subsequently called infantry combat vehicle (BMP in Russian). The BMP enabled troops to deliver fire both from inside the vehicle deployed in combat formations and skirmish lines supported by on-board armament. Motorized infantry elements outfitted with such vehicles needed requisite mobility, combat maneuverability, considerable fire power and sufficient survivability in a wide range of combat actions, thereby becoming able to successfully execute combat tasks in modern warfare combats in cooperation with tanks and independently. In 1962 Russian developers began to work in conformity with the aforementioned concept to create such a vehicle (BMP). In all 17 versions were developed. In 1962 - 1964 six prototypes were created: two wheeled vehicles; two-tracked and two - wheel-tracked.
It's not Ob'yekt 911 (1964) I.V.Gavalov IFV with under belly wheels - 5 road wheels. But it could be Ob'yekt 19 (1965) Bryansk BMP half track competitor, experimental reconnaissance vehicle. This is a mixed wheel-tracked BMP with rear mounted engine and 73mm gun. To me, the vehicle looks more in line with a recon-vehicle (like BRDM-1 and BRDM-2, with their distinctive under-belly wheels to augment cross-country performance) rather than an infantry fighting vehicle like BMP-1. So, that would seem a match. Problem is, I can't find a picture! :mad
It is also NOT the Ob'yekt 1200 - Wheeled BMP with rear mounted engine and 73mm gun - of 1964. The year matters as there was also an Ob'yekt 1200 in 1954, which was the prototype ZIL-153 BTR 4x4. The Ob'yekt 1200 of 1964 was an 8x8 BMP competitor built by Rybinsk. See images:
The vehicle we're trying to identify is probably related to Ob'yekt 1200 in the sense that it is another BMP-1 competitor prototype. In the late 1950s
it became necessary to create a new type of weapon that was subsequently called infantry combat vehicle (BMP in Russian). The BMP enabled troops to deliver fire both from inside the vehicle deployed in combat formations and skirmish lines supported by on-board armament. Motorized infantry elements outfitted with such vehicles needed requisite mobility, combat maneuverability, considerable fire power and sufficient survivability in a wide range of combat actions, thereby becoming able to successfully execute combat tasks in modern warfare combats in cooperation with tanks and independently. In 1962 Russian developers began to work in conformity with the aforementioned concept to create such a vehicle (BMP). In all 17 versions were developed. In 1962 - 1964 six prototypes were created: two wheeled vehicles; two-tracked and two - wheel-tracked.
It's not Ob'yekt 911 (1964) I.V.Gavalov IFV with under belly wheels - 5 road wheels. But it could be Ob'yekt 19 (1965) Bryansk BMP half track competitor, experimental reconnaissance vehicle. This is a mixed wheel-tracked BMP with rear mounted engine and 73mm gun. To me, the vehicle looks more in line with a recon-vehicle (like BRDM-1 and BRDM-2, with their distinctive under-belly wheels to augment cross-country performance) rather than an infantry fighting vehicle like BMP-1. So, that would seem a match. Problem is, I can't find a picture! :mad
Tatra, I've got a (admittedly blurry and grainy black and white shot of this vehicle which is captioned 940/1200 - the centre wheels appear to be banded) is this likely to be a 940 then?
The reason why I've assumed it to be the 1200 is because of the banding and the fact that the "wheels" are lifted high as well.
I thought I had this one nailed! :eek
The reason why I've assumed it to be the 1200 is because of the banding and the fact that the "wheels" are lifted high as well.
I thought I had this one nailed! :eek
@gf0012
That could also be a possibility. Trouble is finding images for these puppies.
All references I could find on the 940 are these:
"Ob'yekt 940 - Experimental version"
"Ob'yekt 940 - BMP-based experimental version"
"Obiekt 940 (1976). Command vehicle."
If 940, it would be a decade newer than the others mentioned thusfar, which could explain the BMP-2 like turret.
There's a nice piece on BMP development here: http://www.rickard.karoo.net/weaponsmain4.html
This mentions Obiekt 1200, 19, 911, 914 and 765
More info on the 1200 here: http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/o1200.html
That could also be a possibility. Trouble is finding images for these puppies.
All references I could find on the 940 are these:
"Ob'yekt 940 - Experimental version"
"Ob'yekt 940 - BMP-based experimental version"
"Obiekt 940 (1976). Command vehicle."
If 940, it would be a decade newer than the others mentioned thusfar, which could explain the BMP-2 like turret.
There's a nice piece on BMP development here: http://www.rickard.karoo.net/weaponsmain4.html
This mentions Obiekt 1200, 19, 911, 914 and 765
More info on the 1200 here: http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/o1200.html
Tatra, there appears to be a complete dry up on Ob'yekt pics. all the links I had are bouncing.tatra said:
This is now starting to krapp me off - I want to know what it is!
:lol
Lets start from the link of the picture:
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br03p1/fotobr03p1.htm [the picture is among many other on the site and translation of russian writting on top is something like this:
The photoreport on an exhibition "Bronnitsy - 2003" which passed in August 2003ã.
Part the second " Automobiles on range "
" Fighting machines "
Safely click on all prevjushki to see the big photos!
This maybe a "commercial" vehicle then a military one as the website carrying it relates to auto industry.
Fight it off.
Lets start from the link of the picture:
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br03p1/fotobr03p1.htm [the picture is among many other on the site and translation of russian writting on top is something like this:
The photoreport on an exhibition "Bronnitsy - 2003" which passed in August 2003ã.
Part the second " Automobiles on range "
" Fighting machines "
Safely click on all prevjushki to see the big photos!
This maybe a "commercial" vehicle then a military one as the website carrying it relates to auto industry.
Fight it off.
Found it!
Its an Obyekt 19
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Its an Obyekt 19
I cannot tell a lie, I had lots of help from all over the place with this.Winter said:
Aha, Gf0012, you found JED again! No wonder then (so pi**ed I couldn't get in there though my old links). I see now a basic BMP1 turret instead of BMP2 like turret. You are commended for beating me to the punchline photography-wise :smokingc:
Incidentally, the Ob'yekt 1200 is a very nice design, which in modernized form could well have interested today's RDF. In fact, I like this basic design much better than the basic design used for the btr-60/70/80/90 series. A sort of Mowag Piranha / LAV / Stryker avant-la-lettre.
BMP 1 alternative prototypes in addition to Obýekt 1200 (1964):
Ob'yekt 19 technical info:
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/o019.html
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/kgbm.shtml
Ob'yekt 911 technical info:
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr/obj911.html
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/911.shtml
Ob'yekt 914 technical info: http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/o914.html
The other Object 1200 of 1954 = the Zil 153 info:
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/zil153.html
Obiekt 1200 (1964), 19, 911, 914 and also 765
http://otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/arm-russia.htm
(this site slow to load!)
Incidentally, the Ob'yekt 1200 is a very nice design, which in modernized form could well have interested today's RDF. In fact, I like this basic design much better than the basic design used for the btr-60/70/80/90 series. A sort of Mowag Piranha / LAV / Stryker avant-la-lettre.
BMP 1 alternative prototypes in addition to Obýekt 1200 (1964):
Ob'yekt 19 technical info:
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/o019.html
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/kgbm.shtml
Ob'yekt 911 technical info:
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr/obj911.html
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/911.shtml
Ob'yekt 914 technical info: http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/o914.html
The other Object 1200 of 1954 = the Zil 153 info:
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr2/zil153.html
Obiekt 1200 (1964), 19, 911, 914 and also 765
http://otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/arm-russia.htm
(this site slow to load!)
Tatra, one of my favs is the Dana 8 wheeler gun mount. A very purposeful looking unit.
Revival_786
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Woah... (looking at tatra's post) :eek
That thing is huge... do armies actually use this thing? Do they fair well against tanks?
That thing is huge... do armies actually use this thing? Do they fair well against tanks?