We all know who Viktor bout is.... He is a man motivated by greed, drugs and the love for shipping guns to third world sh
holes where lawlessness and violence perpetually persist. He is the LORD OF WAR! His automatic Kalashnikovs, shipped in old VVS Antonovs are responsible for all the genocides from the west coast of Africa to the jungles of Colombia. In western sensationalist media and even their microcosm psychological instigator, Hollywood, Mr. Bout is portrait to be this evil human being responsible for the death of American {even though no such link exist}. By the arrest of Victor Bout there would be no more violence, supporting of terrorist and proliferation of arms in the world. The World is now saved:rolling.{sarcasm off}However these are the fabricated realities.
As of today, Mr. Bout [Mod Edit: Text deleted. Flamebait. You should not pretend it is a legal issue to be discussed, when its clearly your personal opinion based on imagined or fabricated 'facts'. And the Mod Team frowns on people making up 'facts'.]
He has been illegally extradited to the states via a precedent of US hegemonic imperialism in which the United States Justice System is the International Criminal Court [Mod Edit: Factually untrue. Text deleted. Extradition proceedings were filed by the US Dept of Justice via the Thai court system. Extradition eventually granted to the US after two hearings. Extradited and then formally charged with the case undertaken through the US justice system. Legal proceedures adhered to.]
Secondly since INTERPOL [Mod Edit: Text deleted. The US petitioned for an Interpol red notice and got it. Operating under the Thai jurisdiction and with Thai oversight and consent US authorities mounted an arrest operation. The red notice was served in Thailand by Thai police. The rubbish you posted, that's not how Interpol works.]
Additionally western sensationalist media {notice I don't mention the word 'press' 2 different things} label him as the only person guilty of such breaches of international law when concurrently US Attorney General Eric Holder and his cohorts have publically in breach of international law , [Mod Edit: Flamebaiting text deleted.].
This is also seen internationally when foreign governments, US included personally [Mod Edit: Flamebaiting text deleted.] Assuming that Mr. Bout is guilty of arms shipment, doesn't there now exist a vacuum for in his controlled turf ? Yes! However this vacuum was filled by western agencies in their arms shipment. I have seen videos of French Foreign intelligence [Mod Edit: Flamebaiting text on other nationalities deleted.]
So what are the motives for Victor Bouts arrest? Actually their exist both political and economic interests at hand. The political interests are presently seen in the Arab spring. On the notion that Mr. Bout was an arms dealer, it is alleged he supplied Hezbollah’s military arm, Libyan Dictator Gadaffi and Syrian Government. [Mod Edit: Yet another lot of flamebaiting text deleted.]
The economic interests favors towards the western MIC especially in France, United States, Israel and Britain as they can now have significant control of the illegal arms black market which would generate income their respective economy needs in these times of hardship. This however would not favor Russian military , economic or political interest as a strong link have been broken
What outcome could we expect from the Victor Bout case? If the present diplomatic foolishness on the Russian Side continues, we could expect comrade Bout being hanged
[Mod Edit: Text deleted. Factually untrue strawman argument, given that the judgement has been rendered. Clearly, the text deleted was intended as flamebait.
There is a legal context to the Victor Bout incident and that is deliberately missing in Live_Drop's post. And if one-iota of legal knowledge on the complex legal issues involved was demonstrated, then it could have been discussed intelligently.
Live_Drop's post is written as rant with a personal political view, filled with fabricated facts and strawmen in essay format on a topic that is very complex. There's a short article in the New Yorker on "Sentencing Viktor Bout", that has another take on this issue. IMO, the New Yorker has a more rational and sophisticated take on the issues involved. Congratulations for earning your perm ban.]
By the Live_Drop
Hope you all enjoy this essay and ignore my strong! Wording. You should recognize the side I choose and it's now fair game if you give opposing views. This is all what leads to great discussion. I’ll check in in 2 days. Regards
holes where lawlessness and violence perpetually persist. He is the LORD OF WAR! His automatic Kalashnikovs, shipped in old VVS Antonovs are responsible for all the genocides from the west coast of Africa to the jungles of Colombia. In western sensationalist media and even their microcosm psychological instigator, Hollywood, Mr. Bout is portrait to be this evil human being responsible for the death of American {even though no such link exist}. By the arrest of Victor Bout there would be no more violence, supporting of terrorist and proliferation of arms in the world. The World is now saved:rolling.{sarcasm off}However these are the fabricated realities.As of today, Mr. Bout [Mod Edit: Text deleted. Flamebait. You should not pretend it is a legal issue to be discussed, when its clearly your personal opinion based on imagined or fabricated 'facts'. And the Mod Team frowns on people making up 'facts'.]
He has been illegally extradited to the states via a precedent of US hegemonic imperialism in which the United States Justice System is the International Criminal Court [Mod Edit: Factually untrue. Text deleted. Extradition proceedings were filed by the US Dept of Justice via the Thai court system. Extradition eventually granted to the US after two hearings. Extradited and then formally charged with the case undertaken through the US justice system. Legal proceedures adhered to.]
Secondly since INTERPOL [Mod Edit: Text deleted. The US petitioned for an Interpol red notice and got it. Operating under the Thai jurisdiction and with Thai oversight and consent US authorities mounted an arrest operation. The red notice was served in Thailand by Thai police. The rubbish you posted, that's not how Interpol works.]
Additionally western sensationalist media {notice I don't mention the word 'press' 2 different things} label him as the only person guilty of such breaches of international law when concurrently US Attorney General Eric Holder and his cohorts have publically in breach of international law , [Mod Edit: Flamebaiting text deleted.].
This is also seen internationally when foreign governments, US included personally [Mod Edit: Flamebaiting text deleted.] Assuming that Mr. Bout is guilty of arms shipment, doesn't there now exist a vacuum for in his controlled turf ? Yes! However this vacuum was filled by western agencies in their arms shipment. I have seen videos of French Foreign intelligence [Mod Edit: Flamebaiting text on other nationalities deleted.]
So what are the motives for Victor Bouts arrest? Actually their exist both political and economic interests at hand. The political interests are presently seen in the Arab spring. On the notion that Mr. Bout was an arms dealer, it is alleged he supplied Hezbollah’s military arm, Libyan Dictator Gadaffi and Syrian Government. [Mod Edit: Yet another lot of flamebaiting text deleted.]
The economic interests favors towards the western MIC especially in France, United States, Israel and Britain as they can now have significant control of the illegal arms black market which would generate income their respective economy needs in these times of hardship. This however would not favor Russian military , economic or political interest as a strong link have been broken
What outcome could we expect from the Victor Bout case? If the present diplomatic foolishness on the Russian Side continues, we could expect comrade Bout being hanged
[Mod Edit: Text deleted. Factually untrue strawman argument, given that the judgement has been rendered. Clearly, the text deleted was intended as flamebait.
There is a legal context to the Victor Bout incident and that is deliberately missing in Live_Drop's post. And if one-iota of legal knowledge on the complex legal issues involved was demonstrated, then it could have been discussed intelligently.
Live_Drop's post is written as rant with a personal political view, filled with fabricated facts and strawmen in essay format on a topic that is very complex. There's a short article in the New Yorker on "Sentencing Viktor Bout", that has another take on this issue. IMO, the New Yorker has a more rational and sophisticated take on the issues involved. Congratulations for earning your perm ban.]
By the Live_Drop
Hope you all enjoy this essay and ignore my strong! Wording. You should recognize the side I choose and it's now fair game if you give opposing views. This is all what leads to great discussion. I’ll check in in 2 days. Regards
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