40mm granade system by Metal Storm?
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Yeh the ammo has to be stored in the barrell but seeing how you an fire all 4 barrles it once you dont have much to worry about it gettin hit :unknown
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So how do you reload... do you have to change barrells? Seems kind of useless if the case.
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to be honest dont know i was wondering if any one else new about it
Todjaeger
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The Metalstorm website is a bit light on details, but it did mention there is no breech. It's possible that the ammo is muzzle loaded... Although with the ammo stacked inside the barrell that isn't necessarily as bad.
http://www.metalstorm.com/index.php?src=
Also the barrells are modular, so it might be possible to pull one empty one off after an engagement to have it reloaded. I would imagine that the ammo could be setup in a pre-formed stack that would be put into place.
If anyone else has more detailed info, I'd love to hear it.
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Yep you guys have got it right. The rounds are stacked within the barrels and the barrels replaced once fired. This grenade launcher system is designed as an "area" weapon system designed for ambush type scenario's, instead of using a landmine base system...
The more promising item (to my mind) is the "under barrel" M203 replacement designed by metal storm. It contains 3 40mm grenades in place of the usual 1x 40mm grenade in traditional M203's. An instant 3x fold increase in firepower. It's pretty rare that such a boost is created these days. Again you simply replace the barrel and you have 3 more grenades ready to fire.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the weapon introduced into Australian service when the F-88 Steyr upgrade comes into service.
I've been to a live firing of the 36 Barrel weapon. It turned a vehicle into a salad strainer in a few seconds. Nothing but air and light at the back of the target.
as for the upgr steyr, I've also seen the initial prototypes (and I think AD has seen a gen 2 version at a Land Warfare Conf recently as well)
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I didn't get a chance to go to the Land Warfare Conference, even though I could have worked overtime and been there, I was to busy watching race cars and chasing Girls on the Gold Coast at the time...I've been to a live firing of the 36 Barrel weapon. It turned a vehicle into a salad strainer in a few seconds. Nothing but air and light at the back of the target.
as for the upgr steyr, I've also seen the initial prototypes (and I think AD has seen a gen 2 version at a Land Warfare Conf recently as well)
Ahem, so anyway I haven't seen one "in the flesh" but I've seen photo's and read up about the weapon. I expect there will be one or so at Avalon, which is the next mil conference/show I'm attending...
I think the Metalstorm system is a great idea, quick reloads and getting rounds down range fast when you need them and with not much to cause a stoppage apart from the round it self.
I guess the only draw back would be the logistics i.e. the 40mm GLA barrel would either need to be made cheaply so you can dispose of them (even though dropping of mag's etc is not a good practice or not done to my knowledge) or be made reload able in the field (say in the B Ech).
I wonder if they have any ideas for a 81mm mortar system for the infantry?
I guess the only draw back would be the logistics i.e. the 40mm GLA barrel would either need to be made cheaply so you can dispose of them (even though dropping of mag's etc is not a good practice or not done to my knowledge) or be made reload able in the field (say in the B Ech).
I wonder if they have any ideas for a 81mm mortar system for the infantry?
well, to paraphrase IBM, the mag/barrel is a FRU (Field Replaceable Unit)
If you drop it loaded or unloaded it is absolutely useless to the enemy unless they have their own MS weapon.
You would have to seriously get that mag/barrel out of whack if you dropped it and couldn't reinsert.
If we have to account for every round discharged, I reckon that accounting for an MS over and under will be covered to the point of indecent obsession...
What I meant was dropping the used mag/barrel instead of tossing it into your dump pouch for reloading back in "B Ech" it might be rather bulky thing to have flopping around.
If it was dropped by a dig, you are right it couldn't be used without the MS system but they could still pull it apart and use it for a IED of sorts hence why field disapline is important so as to not provide any thing for the enemy.
FRU is one thing but is it unit reload able or would it need to go back to the manufacturer for that? I thought I read somewhere it had to go back to the/a "company" for this?
It's been a while since I had any dealings with MS, but at the time they were designed around QM reloads. Which is why it was unattractive at that stage as a main gun solution. (hence the focus on an "over and under" solution)
just to keep everything above board re discussions, I do hold a small cohort of shares in the tech.
Thye're a stacked and impulse fired round. ST have only recently ben involved in the manufacture of those rounds. Prior to that it was done by Alliant and in Germany.
ammarine92
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point in this kind of gun????
Now I understand that this gun can fire multiple rounds at the same time, but metal storm has created a gun that fires 1 mill rounds in less then a second and that is a complete waste of ammo, much the same as i see this is. it may be power full but if you have to load all the barrels to fire it and your low on ammo and there is a small taregt to hit, is this really effective?
Now I understand that this gun can fire multiple rounds at the same time, but metal storm has created a gun that fires 1 mill rounds in less then a second and that is a complete waste of ammo, much the same as i see this is. it may be power full but if you have to load all the barrels to fire it and your low on ammo and there is a small taregt to hit, is this really effective?
I've witnessed the live firing of the "million round" platform.
it turned a vehicle into a salad strainer in under 2 seconds.
you're missing the point on what the technology allows the handler to do.
its not just an issue of putting "x rounds on target" - thats the stuff typically absorbed by the "ambulancer chaser" quality publishing houses...