I would like to know the answer to a few questions, if you can answer:Hello.iran is one of the 10 powerful countries in misslile field in the world.if you want to know more about that.you can come here.
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I am familiar with the Arrow ABM program. I wish you were right, but no ABM system can overcome barrages of THOUSANDS of cheap ballistic missiles that can hit Israel in 6 minutes. the Iranian strategy, unfortunately, is a good one, from their POV. What Israel needs is a second strike capability of more submarines with SLBMs.The Iranians must be made sure that no matter what they do, even if they strike every square inch inside Israel, that they will be destroyed by Israeli missiles from under the sea.The Israelis would absolutely obliterate the weapons with their arrow Anti-Ballistic Missiles [Mod Edit: Text deleted, as Taiwanese weapons are not a subject of this thread]. So, essentially, bad! :gun
Israel could not do anything to HEZBOLLAH small missiles.Iran new missile SEJIL 2 is invisible.arrow or any other system can do nothing against it.Iran has SHAHAB 3,SHAB 2,SHAHAB 1,ZELZAL,NAZEAT,SEJIL 1,SEJIL 2 and the other missiles.IRAN has more missiles than what you can imagineThe Israelis would absolutely obliterate the weapons with their arrow Anti-Ballistic Missiles [Mod Edit: Text deleted, as Taiwanese weapons are not a subject of this thread]. So, essentially, bad! :gun
I've been around quite a few defense forums, and the one thing I have always come across are claims that Iran possesses invisible fighters, subs, ships, torpedoes, tanks, and now missiles. Shoot.........I'm starting to wonder if Iran’s technology is so advanced, they can make their entire country invisible!!!Israel could not do anything to HEZBOLLAH small missiles.Iran new missile SEJIL 2 is invisible.arrow or any other system can do nothing against it.Iran has SHAHAB 3,SHAB 2,SHAHAB 1,ZELZAL,NAZEAT,SEJIL 1,SEJIL 2 and the other missiles.IRAN has more missiles than what you can imagine
you can not forget the missiles that Iran has not shown.
Invisibility = Non ExistentI've been around quite a few defense forums, and the one thing I have always come across are claims that Iran possesses invisible fighters, subs, ships, torpedoes, tanks, and now missiles. Shoot.........I'm starting to wonder if Iran’s technology is so advanced, they can make their entire country invisible!!!
I would love to see proof! And not doctored up pictures either....
Iran is not what your governments show you in your TV.A poor country.A weak country.They show you something wrong.you can be sure if Iran does not have a good military It has been attacked by USA and Israel very long ago...Invisibility = Non Existent
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Iran does not have any high tech weapon (period). But what ever it has can overwhelm Israel if launched in mass numbers. Thus Iranian strategy is quantitative against Israel's qualitative edge. & no BMD System is mature enough to counter large number of incoming missiles of different ranges and types (i.e. ballistic+cruise).
Submarine based 2nd strike capability is an effective deterrent but the type of regimes in Israel and Iran we cannot be too sure of that. Both take the conflict to brinkmanship - which is suicidal.
I full concur with your analysis, and indeed has been my opinion for quite some time now. The Iranian strategy of producing huge volumes of relatively inexpensive IRBMs to overwhelm Israeli defenses is a good one from their POV.SABRE said:Iran does not have any high tech weapon (period). But what ever it has can overwhelm Israel if launched in mass numbers. Thus Iranian strategy is quantitative against Israel's qualitative edge. & no BMD System is mature enough to counter large number of incoming missiles of different ranges and types (i.e. ballistic+cruise).
Submarine based 2nd strike capability is an effective deterrent but the type of regimes in Israel and Iran we cannot be too sure of that. Both take the conflict to brinkmanship - which is suicidal.
The news that I watch does not show a poor Iran at all. I see a country with a rich heritage and culture with very beautiful people. The problem with what you see on the news is State run media showing technology that Iran doesn't possess,Iran is not what your governments show you in your TV.A poor country.A weak country.They show you something wrong.you can be sure if Iran does not have a good military It has been attacked by USA and Israel very long ago...
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after that Syria and Iran.but all of that was a bad mistake.My English is not very good.Excuse me for that
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I fully agree that the acquisition of submarines costing about $4 billion per copy fitted out with some SLBM version of the Jericho would be expensive and could jeopardize Israel's posture of nuclear ambiguity, but the fact is that massive quantities of Iranian missiles could carpet bomb most of the tiny Israeli land mass within 6 minutes, destroying missile bases, runways and the like crippling Israel's ability to retaliate. But it think it is preferable to acquiring more fifth generation aircraft now approaching $200 million per copy that might not be able to get off the runway or successfully reach Iran even if they do. So I would rather Israel get 1 such sub per year than 20 new vulnerable aircraft per year. The X-band should see the Iranian missiles launch, but that only leaves 6 minutes of decision-making time. Israeli subs in the Mediterranean that the Iranians cannot see and destroy would have to make them think twice about launching in the first place. That's my theory at least.Anyway, on topic. I'd agree with Sabre's analysis, but the idea of trying to develop and SLBM and assoicated SSBN may not be a good idea. These are single purpose vessels and weapons that would mean Israel entirely dropping the premise of ambiguity over nuclear weapons. What the repurcussions for that would be are anyones guess, but I don't see many positive outcomes. And also, how exactly are Israel supposed to afford these? They are by far the most expensive thing that major global powers have in their defence budgets (US could well struggle to afford their replacements for Ohio, Britain has had to fight tooth and nail to keep theirs alive, the Russians are having problems at every turn). The only way for Israel to afford this would be for the US to openly help and either supply cash for R&D or allow Israel into a similar agreement as the UK, which could well be the final nail in the coffin for US foreign policy in the Middle East.
The Israelis already have a fairly decent deterrent in a their SLCM's, which certianly can't be countered until/if Iran ever manages to get S300's, and then it still has ground launched missiles which I suspect could be launched before Iranian missiles struck now that they can detect them at launch thanks to the US X-band.
There was a catch here and Grim901 caught it. I used the phrase "submarine based 2nd strike capability" instead of "SLBM" because Israel would then loose its nuclear ambiguity. The best alternative for Israel is to have conventional submarine capable of launching cruise missiles with nuclear warheads - something Israel has already achieved.And I also agree that Israel has to quickly develop a Triad to include more submarines -with SLMBs like the Trident for assured MAD if Iran is that mad. And there is no present BDM solution to counter an overwhelming deluge of missiles.
I don't want to start religious debate here but it is all a cover to garner public support. Underneath it all is dirty politics. Before the creation of Israel Muslims and Jews had found themselves more comfortable with each other then anyone else.And you are right to imply that this is not an ideological conflict, as with materialistic, life-loving capitalism versus communism. Underneath it all this is a theological religious war where Islam cannot countenance a Jewish state, with all the apocalyptic and messianic undertones and overtones. This is the scenario for the Armageddon. And I see no peaceful solution in sight.
There is no way that any country’s missile industry could create a cheap ballistic missile with the range you are suggesting. Long range comes expensive! And the creation of thousands of such missiles in the short term is well beyond Iran’s current and likely future industrial capability.I am familiar with the Arrow ABM program. I wish you were right, but no ABM system can overcome barrages of THOUSANDS of cheap ballistic missiles that can hit Israel in 6 minutes.
That’s true - Israel’s early ABM work was focussed on long-range threats rather than tactical rockets. But the situation will change as the Iron Dome system enters service in growing numbers. The first battery is about to be come operational, and one of its launchers was displayed at last week’s Eurosatory exhibition in France.Israel could not do anything to HEZBOLLAH small missiles)
Most missiles carry a 2000 lb warhead or less, it would take about 3000 missiles to take out one square mile of land. You do the math. For a number of reasons I doubt if Iran has all that many accurate operational missiles.. If the missles have nukes, then its a differant ballgame.I am familiar with the Arrow ABM program. I wish you were right, but no ABM system can overcome barrages of THOUSANDS of cheap ballistic missiles that can hit Israel in 6 minutes. the Iranian strategy, unfortunately, is a good one, from their POV. What Israel needs is a second strike capability of more submarines with SLBMs.The Iranians must be made sure that no matter what they do, even if they strike every square inch inside Israel, that they will be destroyed by Israeli missiles from under the sea.
Yes they do have this and other secrets we dont know about. I will agree with you on that "Before the creation of Israel Muslims and Jews had found themselves more comfortable with each other then anyone else". It's been like that for over 2 centuries until European jews came in the 1940'sThere was a catch here and Grim901 caught it. I used the phrase "submarine based 2nd strike capability" instead of "SLBM" because Israel would then loose its nuclear ambiguity. The best alternative for Israel is to have conventional submarine capable of launching cruise missiles with nuclear warheads - something Israel has already achieved.
I don't want to start religious debate here but it is all a cover to garner public support. Underneath it all is dirty politics. Before the creation of Israel Muslims and Jews had found themselves more comfortable with each other then anyone else.