Assume it is AESA radar with 10GHZ with most optimum power. I'm not too sure what would be the radar power of AEW&C plane has. And the Stealth ships is Zumwalt DDG-1000.
46,203m in standard atmosphere.Assume it is AESA radar with 10GHZ with most optimum power. I'm not too sure what would be the radar power of AEW&C plane has. And the Stealth ships is Zumwalt DDG-1000.
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Arrgh, no doubt about it you are well on top of your game - I got 46,200m give or take 10m - yours is far more accurate. How did you do Assail?46,203m in standard atmosphere.
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Way too complex for this brown duck!Arrgh, no doubt about it you are well on top of your game - I got 46,200m give or take 10m - yours is far more accurate. How did you do Assail?
dittoWay too complex for this brown duck!
Lose that opportunity with MIMO, OTHR or anything with decent lookdown companions wandering around upstairs.I trained on S band radar Type 293 developed in WW II and the only concept of stealth was to find an island to hide behind (S band) or a rain squall to hide under (X band)
I sometimes feel somewhat bemused by surface ship LO as most escorts gadabout with fat ships.ditto
Lose that opportunity with MIMO, OTHR or anything with decent lookdown companions wandering around upstairs.
I suppose the trick is looking smaller and different to what you really are. i.e. if a DDG looks like a fishing trawler or OPV it may be ignored in favor of the less capable FFG that looks to be the greater threat. This applies to missiles finding / selecting targets as well, as the LO characteristics of a platform can only aid Nulka / chaff etc. in doing their jobs.I sometimes feel somewhat bemused by surface ship LO as most escorts gadabout with fat ships.ditto
Lose that opportunity with MIMO, OTHR or anything with decent lookdown companions wandering around upstairs.
Have the various stealth designs been quantitatively assessed? and what advantage does a say FREMM have over an ANZAC. Imagine an aircraft search radar at 15,000ft looking on a calm day, ie is it (max detection range) a matter of miles difference or tens of miles?
And, does LO work for ASM's?
If its only miles, does it matter?
I sometimes feel somewhat bemused by surface ship LO as most escorts gadabout with fat ships.
Have the various stealth designs been quantitatively assessed? and what advantage does a say FREMM have over an ANZAC. Imagine an aircraft search radar at 15,000ft looking on a calm day, ie is it (max detection range) a matter of miles difference or tens of miles?
And, does LO work for ASM's?
If its only miles, does it matter?
I didn't really expect answers, the questions were rhetorical in order to display the variables.I think there are far too many variables in play to start giving answers with confidence (esp in an open forum)
To my mind though, to what end in a marine environment does stealth come in usefull ? A marine situation has many other options ! Without going into to much details, deception still has a lot of legs in this day and ageI didn't really expect answers, the questions were rhetorical in order to display the variables.
You gave an example of a Bourke (sorry, that was V ) but to my mind any advantage they have is surely minimized by the non stealthy mast config (not that their hulls are particularly LO)
Many make claims about the stealthiness of individual designs but a naval TG/formation is just that, unmistakable and when in company with the fleet train/major units there seems to be little or no advantage.
In many cases "stealth"on a warship seems to be a fad and in no way comparable to LO in combat aircraft.
ConcurTo my mind though, to what end in a marine environment does stealth come in usefull ? A marine situation has many other options ! Without going into to much details, deception still has a lot of legs in this day and age![]()
The thing with chaff is that has a better chance of fooling weapons systems with no smartsThis judgement is based on that if current amounts of chaff is enough to screw up a lock on a current ASM then wouldn't the same system on a LO based surface ship mean that it'll have a bigger effect on screwing up the lock as the original lock was against a smaller "target" if you like + the disruptive effect of the chaff would appear greater because the original target would be harder to keep the lock maintained?
I agree entirely. Stealth for green/brown/littorals/fast attack etc is self evident but, despite the discussion for, I still struggle with it for blue water battleforce ships.The LO/VLO analogy is far more relevant to subs as they are primary ISR platforms in the water - after subs you're talking about niche assets which are fundamentally grey/green/brown water.
Most of what are called ‘stealth’ warships are most certainly not. Lots of ships have angled sides and the like and it reduces their radar signature some of the time but not in the multiple significant figure levels needed to have a tactical effect on detection range. At best they are kind of making their blip smaller so they look like a deep sea trawler rather than a destroyer. Which has its benefits but it’s nothing like an LO aircraft in operational use.In many cases "stealth"on a warship seems to be a fad and in no way comparable to LO in combat aircraft.