Role of a Blue Water Navy.

kato

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
I'd argue against it on the basis that Italy's fleet is still tailor-made for that lake they're surrounded by on three sides. Perhaps in a couple years (decade or so), when Cavour is fully in service (with F-35B!), the supply ships are up to modern standards with the new Etna rebuilds, and the escort fleet and LPDs are a bit more heavy-weather-capable.
As for Spain, in my opinion they lack support assets. I mean, 2 replenishment ships for the two carrier/LHD groups and any remaining frigates, with at least a 7-to-1 ratio? Can't really go far on that. Sure, they could pull off a deep strike, but persisting presence overseas?
 

Duffy

New Member
Below is what I think is a great way to classify ones Navy. Rank is not power but capability . I think Rank 1 thru 3 could be classified as a “ Blue water Navy”:unknown

Rank 1: Major Global Force Projection Navy (Complete) – This is a navy capable of carrying out all the military roles of naval forces on a global scale. It possesses the full range of carrier and amphibious capabilities, sea control forces, and nuclear attack and ballistic missile submarines, and all in sufficient numbers to undertake major operations independently. E.g., United States.

Rank 2: Major Global Force Projection Navy (Partial) – These are navies that possess most if not all of the force projection capabilities of a "complete" global navy, but only in sufficient numbers to undertake one major "out of area" operation. E.g., Britain, France.

Rank 3: Medium Global Force Projection Navy – These are navies that may not possess the full range of capabilities, but have a credible capacity in certain of them and consistently demonstrate a determination to exercise them at some distance from home waters, in cooperation with other Force Projection Navies. E.g., Canada, Netherlands, Australia.

Rank 4: Medium Regional Force Projection Navy – These are navies possessing the ability to project force into the adjoining ocean basin. While they may have the capacity to exercise these further afield, for whatever reason, they do not do so on a regular basis.

Rank 5: Adjacent Force Projection Navies – These are navies that have some ability to project force well offshore, but are not capable of carrying out high-level naval operations over oceanic distances. E.g. China.

Rank 6: Offshore Territorial Defence Navies – These are navies that have relatively high levels of capability in defensive (and constabulary) operations up to about 200 miles from their shores, having the sustainability offered by frigate or large corvette vessels and (or) a capable submarine force.

Rank 7: Inshore Territorial Defence Navies – These are navies that have primarily inshore territorial defence capabilities, making them capable of coastal combat rather than constabulary duties alone. This implies a force comprising missile-armed fast-attack craft, short-range aviation and a limited submarine force.

Rank 8: Constabulary Navies – These are significant fleets that are not intended to fight, but to act purely in a constabulary role.

Rank 9: Token Navies – These are navies that have some minimal capability, but this often consists of little more than a formal organisational structure and a few coastal craft. These states, the world's smallest and weakest, cannot aspire to anything but the most limited constabulary functions.
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