Midtguardian Defence System - Artillery logistic question
For information on the Midtguardian Defence Scale HO 1:87 scenario, please refer to corresponding thread on general defence.
The Midtguardian defence system deploys one artillery Bn on divisional level. This batallion has the following forces:
2 batterys each of 6 M 109 A3G 155 mm SPA
1 battery of 8 M 110 203 mm SPA
1 battery of 8 M 43 obsolecent 155 mm SPA
2 batterys each of 6 LARS2 (Light Artillery Rocket System) with FERA fire control
I have a question about logistics.
The M 109 batterys are organized in two gun fire sections with a fire control vehicle for each fire sections. The question is how to organize ammo transport to ensure the guns have the neceassary shells in a combat situation.
As far as I can understand, the guns have a sustained rate of fire of one round pr minute (burst rate of three rounds pr. minute the first three minutes)
I'm worried about counter battery fire. As far as I understand, there are now artillery locating radars beeing able to backtrack incoming rounds and direct counter battery fire from the first round, probably only avaliable to first tier countries. Question: Are such radars now operational? Do they have such quick reaction capability?
Due to this, I have a "shoot and scoot" policy of max 5 minute fire mission before relocating the gun section when operating against a first tier nation, generally letting the guns fire for max 3 minutes before starting redeployment, thus utilizing thye guns three minute burst rate and maximizing the rate of fire while minimizing the risk of counter battery fire.
The guns of each battery would be deployed in "dispersed mode" with the two gun sections dispersed from each other. With the requirement of more sustained fire, I would let one gun section fire for three minutes, then relocate to next prepared position, the guns of the next two gun section opening fire as the first start relocating, and the same again for the last gun section.
Hopefully, the first gun section will have redeployed in the six minutes it takes for the next two gun sections to complete their fire missions, and so on and so forth. By this I hope to be able to lay down continuing fire from two guns until the guns must reload ammo.
If necessary, this can be co-ordinated with the 2. battery og M 109's for a continual fire of four guns, or, if more prolonged fire is needed, the 2. battery will take over when 1. battery is reloading. There is also the option to co-ordinate with the 8 gun battery of the armoured brigade.
Question: Will this schemme for laying down fire and relocatring within six minutes be feasable? Will it protect against counter battery fire in sufficient way?
This tactics employed, each gun will fire 3 minutes of 3 shells every 9 minutes of the hour, giving a shell requirement of 9 x 6,5 = 58 shells every hour pr. gun. I do not know the exact weight of the shells, but presume that these weigh approx 10 kg a piece, giving a transport requirement of 580 kg pr. gun pr. hour for sustained fire. Would this be correct?
With this in mind, each gun section of two guns are deployed with two 10 ton 8 x 8 offroad MAN transport vehicle with a loading crane, putting a total of a little more than 8 hours worth of ammo for one gun on each truck.
Logistically, the gun sections would empty one of the two trucks every four hour. The empty truck, integral to the section, would then return to the nearest ammo dump to pick up a new load, and preferably be back again in time to replace the second truck.
Is this a litely scenario, or am I way off base? I would of coarse, prefer to give every gun section a third ammo truck, but this is way down on my priority list. Should I give this a better priority. Be advised that the transport batallion also has ammo trucks that will be able to assist if not beeing used elsewhere.
All comments appriciated.
For information on the Midtguardian Defence Scale HO 1:87 scenario, please refer to corresponding thread on general defence.
The Midtguardian defence system deploys one artillery Bn on divisional level. This batallion has the following forces:
2 batterys each of 6 M 109 A3G 155 mm SPA
1 battery of 8 M 110 203 mm SPA
1 battery of 8 M 43 obsolecent 155 mm SPA
2 batterys each of 6 LARS2 (Light Artillery Rocket System) with FERA fire control
I have a question about logistics.
The M 109 batterys are organized in two gun fire sections with a fire control vehicle for each fire sections. The question is how to organize ammo transport to ensure the guns have the neceassary shells in a combat situation.
As far as I can understand, the guns have a sustained rate of fire of one round pr minute (burst rate of three rounds pr. minute the first three minutes)
I'm worried about counter battery fire. As far as I understand, there are now artillery locating radars beeing able to backtrack incoming rounds and direct counter battery fire from the first round, probably only avaliable to first tier countries. Question: Are such radars now operational? Do they have such quick reaction capability?
Due to this, I have a "shoot and scoot" policy of max 5 minute fire mission before relocating the gun section when operating against a first tier nation, generally letting the guns fire for max 3 minutes before starting redeployment, thus utilizing thye guns three minute burst rate and maximizing the rate of fire while minimizing the risk of counter battery fire.
The guns of each battery would be deployed in "dispersed mode" with the two gun sections dispersed from each other. With the requirement of more sustained fire, I would let one gun section fire for three minutes, then relocate to next prepared position, the guns of the next two gun section opening fire as the first start relocating, and the same again for the last gun section.
Hopefully, the first gun section will have redeployed in the six minutes it takes for the next two gun sections to complete their fire missions, and so on and so forth. By this I hope to be able to lay down continuing fire from two guns until the guns must reload ammo.
If necessary, this can be co-ordinated with the 2. battery og M 109's for a continual fire of four guns, or, if more prolonged fire is needed, the 2. battery will take over when 1. battery is reloading. There is also the option to co-ordinate with the 8 gun battery of the armoured brigade.
Question: Will this schemme for laying down fire and relocatring within six minutes be feasable? Will it protect against counter battery fire in sufficient way?
This tactics employed, each gun will fire 3 minutes of 3 shells every 9 minutes of the hour, giving a shell requirement of 9 x 6,5 = 58 shells every hour pr. gun. I do not know the exact weight of the shells, but presume that these weigh approx 10 kg a piece, giving a transport requirement of 580 kg pr. gun pr. hour for sustained fire. Would this be correct?
With this in mind, each gun section of two guns are deployed with two 10 ton 8 x 8 offroad MAN transport vehicle with a loading crane, putting a total of a little more than 8 hours worth of ammo for one gun on each truck.
Logistically, the gun sections would empty one of the two trucks every four hour. The empty truck, integral to the section, would then return to the nearest ammo dump to pick up a new load, and preferably be back again in time to replace the second truck.
Is this a litely scenario, or am I way off base? I would of coarse, prefer to give every gun section a third ammo truck, but this is way down on my priority list. Should I give this a better priority. Be advised that the transport batallion also has ammo trucks that will be able to assist if not beeing used elsewhere.
All comments appriciated.