I've read the same on Jane's, but can't add anything to it.I'm hearing rumors about problems with these new submarines. Particularly with the AIP system operating extremely hot and causing significant discomfort to crew.
Anyone else hearing this?
Guy
The sub U-214 Papanikolis was to be accepted by 30th of September 2005 then 30th September 2006 but still has severe problems and thus is not going to be accepted and maybe the whole project of the rest constructions and upgrades will be surely affected.
1.Lack of stability while sailing in rough sea conditions ranging from 35-58 degrees
2.The AIP system is out of function after a few hours of sailing
3.The sub is not that "quite" as supposed to be so easier to be detected
4.Problems with the battle system "ISUS"
5.When the sub is sailing more than 3 knots the periscope is trembling so there are troubles in order to lock on targets.
6.Sea water is leaking in the hydraulic systems.
Oh my... the list is awful, it's more than AIP integration that is at stake !Fantasma posted the below post in "Greece Turkey Arms Race" topic:
Aargh I wasn't aware of it. The HDW Greek shipyards didn't have any role in assembly of modules or something similar ?Unfortunately, this first vessel was built in Germany.
Dear Waylander,Shall I throw some eggs or tomatos onto them for you greeks?
Latest developement is that HDW finally accepted (till now HDW did not accept that there were severe flaws) that there are 6 flaws on the boat and committed to fix these mishaps and suggests solutions to these problems..greek navy have postponed the official delivery to the fleet by 30 of December 2007If I look at SK where no such problems are known I would say that HDW just made a monday boat.
I think that these problems are no problems of the class itself but "just" bad construction of this special boat.
HDW should better be fast at solving these problems if it wants to keep its good reputation.
Shall I throw some eggs or tomatos onto them for you greeks?
Is there a target date for the boats coming back to HDW or are these problems going to be fixed in Greece?
Maybe this would be a chance for some photos.
Thks for the news. Does this mean the entire class of 4 boats will run a full year late vs forecasted ? I wonder how many penalties are paid in these circumstances by the supplier to the procuring government.Latest developement is that HDW finally accepted (till now HDW did not accept that there were severe flaws) that there are 6 flaws on the boat and committed to fix these mishaps and suggests solutions to these problems..greek navy have postponed the official delivery to the fleet by 30 of December 2007
The penalty was 210 million euros..the entire amount which was left to pay for the whole project..HDW denied the flaws negotiations started and the penalty dropped to 120 million euros right afterwards HDW accepted the flaws and committed to repair the flaws..from this amount the 90 million euros will be directed to Skaramangas Shipyards as payments for the works for the remaining boatsThks for the news. Does this mean the entire class of 4 boats will run a full year late vs forecasted ? I wonder how many penalties are paid in these circumstances by the supplier to the procuring government.
cheers
Ouch, your MOD surely knows how to negotiate, I'm impressed !The penalty was 210 million euros..the entire amount which was left to pay for the whole project..HDW denied the flaws negotiations started and the penalty dropped to 120 million euros right afterwards HDW accepted the flaws and committed to repair the flaws..from this amount the 90 million euros will be directed to Skaramangas Shipyards as payments for the works for the remaining boats
As far as I know Skaramanga Shipyards belongs to HDW. So HDW will take 90 million Euros from one of its pockets and put it into another one (Skaramanga), and pay the remaining 30 million Euros to Greek MoD, right? Bottom line, 30 million Euros will be paid "outside".The penalty was 210 million euros..the entire amount which was left to pay for the whole project..HDW denied the flaws negotiations started and the penalty dropped to 120 million euros right afterwards HDW accepted the flaws and committed to repair the flaws..from this amount the 90 million euros will be directed to Skaramangas Shipyards as payments for the works for the remaining boats