kams said:
Ok , Let me try to summarise the modern/ ships ordered of IN.
Destroyers:
I take it you refering to Kashin class destroyers as outdated. As I understand they are undergoing upgradation. INS Ranvijay has Barak I, and I think they are going to fit Brahmos ( 4 -8 Box launched) like they did on INS Ranjit. Atleast 3 of the 5 Kashin class destroyers will be outfitted with Barak I and Brahmos.
The 3 P-15's have Barak I , Shitil - SA-11 and KH-35 Uran (16/ship) - Brahmos in future?
P-15A (3 ordered) - Barak 1, Shitil - SA-17 and Brahmos (VLS) - 16/ship.
Frigates:
Krivak III( 3 in service) - Sam - Shtil -1 with SA-17 (24 missiles/ship). AShm - 8 cell vertical launch Klub-N, (to be replaced with 8 vertically launched Brahmos, INS Tabar will be the first one)
Modified Krivak III (3 ordered) - AShm/LACM - 8 cell Brahmos. SAM = Barak I/SA-17[Barak II ??
P-17 Shivalik (3 ordered commissioning 2007-2008) AShm/LACM - 8 cell Brahmos. SAM = Barak I/SA-17
P-16A Brahmaputra class (3 in service) - SAM - Barak I, AShM - 16 Kh-35 Uran.
Corvette -
P25A - Kora class (4 in service). AShm - Kh-35 Uran. SAM - MANPAD.
P-28 (4 units on order) - weapons - not known.
Submarine - Kilo - 10 in service , Missile - Klub-S 3M-54E
HDW (209) 4 in service
Could some one do the same for PLAN?
PLAN, following are only ships being visually identified. There's no way to know PLAN's orders.
Destroyer
4 Fleet air defence destroyer: 2X052C and 2X051C
7 general purpose destroyer, quite similar to India's P15: 4XSov, 2X052B, 1X051B,
plus 2 less capable 052
Similar to India's 5 Kashins, PLAN is upgrading those old 051 destroyers, e.g. 16 YJ83 ASHMs, HHQ7 point defense. But frankly speaking, I don't count them as modern ships.
Although it's a fact we don't know PLAN's official future orders, we do have some rumors and you can judge them by yourself, then wait and see.
Rumor: 1X051D large destroyer, 2X052D 9KT-10KT multi purpose destroyers.
Frigate
2X054A under construction
2X054, less capable than India's Kirvak and P17.
14X 053H2/H3, relatively modern.
Another 20+ 053, which I would count them similar to India's corvettes.
Rumor: 8 more 054A ordered.
Subs
2X093 SSN, 3X091G SSN
12X Kilos,
2X039A(which is what you guys called Yuan),
14X039G,
2X039.
As we speak, last batch of 039Gs are being pumped out every 3 months. Soon 039A's mass production will start.
Other dozens of 035 and 033 mostly put into stock yard.
Amph.
23X072 4K-5KT LST
2+2X071 19KT LPD, under construction
But, India has an aircraft carrier and China has a 092 SSBN, both are outdated though. And both country are working to close the gap, e.g. India's ATV and China's AC projects.
In my view, both navies are modernising at a fast speed albeit on their own courses. PLAN and IN are facing different threat levels, hence following different strategies.
IN had enjoyed a qualitive edge until recent years, because Delhi class and Kashin class were relatively more modern than PLAN's old 051, 052 classes.
And IN introduced Kilos into service much earlier than PLAN. Plus, IN's aircraft carrier, no matter how old it is, it did provide many experiences.
PLAN only started the catch ups in the late 90s and its modernisation dramatically got sped up in the last 5 years. It seems that the high speed will remain for a while(5 years), PLAN will start to have some qualitive and quantitive edge over IN on paper. If we look 10 years into the future, it's impossible to predict given both nations fast growing economy. IN has a 3 CG dream, and PLAN also has heavy CG dreams as well. So let's enjoy the next 5 years first.
Having said that, both Navies got a long way to go if compared with traditional strong western navies, esp. the USN. So we should not get carried away too far.
