Apparently the PN is looking into gas turbines and not diesel. The pic of the model for the F22P is below:
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Judging from the articles posted below as well as PNC Mirza's week long visit to Ukraine back in 1999 the probability that the F22Ps gas turbine will be Ukrainian is pretty high. The Ukrainians make pretty good engines thats for sure.
Ukraine offers to help rehabilitate Railways, defence production
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KARACHI (May 28) : Ukraine has expressed its willingness to help in the rehabilitation of Pakistan Railways and has identified more areas for future cooperation like spares for the tanks already supplied, ammunition and maintenance support machinery. Ukraine's offer of cooperation was conveyed by its Charge de Affaires in Pakistan during a meeting with the Additional Secretary, Defence Production, in Islamabad recently. The diplomat recalled that all contracts had been completed and despite strong pressures on the Ukraine government in the wake of the nuclear blast by Pakistan, the President of Ukraine had personally stated that all contractual obligations with Pakistan would be met and were met.
The Ukrainian diplomat stated that they were ready to promote cooperation. They knew that Pakistan is not in the best of times, and they were ready to promote cooperation in the engine and transmission sectors and supply all engines and spares that Pakistan required. They were even willing to redesign them for us if necessary. He also indicated that they were willing to supply additional TBOUD tanks if so desired by Pakistan.
He also informed the Secretary that Ukraine had vast industrial base as 40 percent of the military industrial complex of the former USSR was inherited by Ukraine. He indicated his government's readiness for cooperation in the Naval field also as the former fleet of USSR was built by Ukrainian shipyards. The shipyards had the capability to design and construct all types of ships including Aircraft carriers, which they could do for Pakistan. They had the know-how, but no money to build it.
On a query whether the ships would be built in Ukraine or in Pakistan, the diplomat replied that it was up to the Government of Pakistan to decide in accordance with the capacity of the shipyard. He was informed that Pakistan had design and integration problem and that is where assistance from Ukraine was needed. Pakistan wanted indigenisation as it was the need of the day. Buying a vessel was one way but building it in Pakistan was what we prefer. It was suggested that a team from Ukraine could have a look at the KSEW & PN Dockyard and in case they had an order for a ship from any country in the region, they might consider utilising these facilities. Pakistan was also trying to produce a frigate with Chinese assistance. They could make one frigate in Ukraine and their engineers, specialists and designers could come to Pakistan to make subsequent frigates in Pakistan.
It was suggested that there should be a tripartite cooperation i.e. Pakistan-China-Ukraine. Pakistan would use the expertise of Ukraine that China did not have. The Additional Secretary also indicated that they were developing a jet aircraft Super-7 with Chinese assistance. For the avionics and weapon systems, Pakistan wanted Ukraine to come and make an offer, as Ukrainian systems were as advanced as any comparable western system and cost wise very competitive.
The Ukrainian charge pointed out that AN74 transport aircraft with 10 ton load carrying or 32 paratroopers capacity, was demonstrated in Pakistan and it had used only one quarters of airstrip at Gilgit for take off. He also said that a newest Aircraft AN70 was available. Being a futuristic aircraft, they were in negotiation with the UK, Germany and USA. He also indicated that they were willing to co-produce the engine of this aircraft in Pakistan and the engine could be used in Super-7 also. A facility of this nature was established in Asfahan in Iran and they could send a team to Pakistan to study the possibility.
It was indicated that the trade imbalance was heavily in favour of Ukraine and they might import sports goods, surgical goods, carpets other consumer goods, rice etc., from Pakistan as our goods were of quality and cheap. The charge indicated that they were in perfect position to supply all the infrastructure for Railways and recalled that 89 percent of all railways of former USSR were supplied by Ukrainians factories.
Islamabad Needs Ukranian Weapons
Ukraine is participating in 15 military-industrial projects in Pakistan. Kiev has already signed contracts to create two field bases for repairing the T-80UD tanks, which Ukraine recently sold to Pakistan. Negotiations regarding a third base are in the closing stages. Kiev is also prepared for exporting new anti-aircraft complexes and elements of high-precision weapons.
In addition, Ukraine may participate in a major program to launch production of frigates in Pakistan. Ukrainian enterprises intend to design gas turbines, public address systems, and radar stations for the warships.
In June 2002, Ukrainian and Pakistani companies signed a contract to supply Pakistan with transmissions for the Al Khalid tank ($100 million). Ukraine sold 320 T-80UD tanks to Pakistan ($640 million) in 1997-99.
(Reference: Krasnaya Zvezda, August 20, 2002, p. 3)
Ukrainians pushing for military cooperation
Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma said in Dnipropetrovsk last week that he was going to visit Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon in April. Although Ukraine's main economic partner is Russia, Ukraine needs to think about expanding the markets for its products beyond Russia and the CIS, the head of state said. Although each of these visits could be fateful for some Ukrainian industries, we would like to discuss the visit to Pakistan in more detail.
Islamabad has long been waiting for the Ukrainian leader's visit, and not only because five years of fruitful cooperation with Ukraine have turned Pakistan into a traditional importer of Ukrainian military equipment and related services. Despite the sales slump since 1999 - the year when the tank contract expired - Islamabad might again start placing new and maybe even large orders. Several years ago, Pakistan did not have any other options for military and technical cooperation, but after the US embargo was lifted and loans started pouring in, Islamabad was allowed to develop cooperation with its old partners and even add new arms suppliers which Pakistani leaders had been eyeing. Now the situation could change drastically, and not necessarily in favour of Ukraine China. It was Ukraine and China that were Pakistan's main suppliers of military equipment for ground forces. Although Pakistan has no plans to increase its defence spending this financial year (which started on 1 July 2001), its military budget remains quite impressive - about 21bn dollars - which makes the country an attractive importer of arms and military equipment. Many experts believe that the Pakistani authorities had no other option but to accept the US offer of participation in the anti-terrorist campaign. First, the government's legitimacy had to be proved, as some Western powers had questions about this. And second, Islamabad had to prevent Delhi from getting stronger after it had accepted the allies' rules of the game. Add to this the lifting of the economic blockade, and the Pakistani decision looks more than logical.
As a result, Pakistan received a unique opportunity for political maneuvers, including the ability o choose its arms suppliers.
As for Ukraine, Ukrainian-Pakistani trade turnover has fallen to 20-30m dollars at the present stage of cooperation. This differs significantly from the 150-180m dollars coming into Ukraine annually between 1996 and 1999. Moreover, the turnover no longer even exceeds that of the trade turnover between Ukraine and India. Surely, this state of affairs can not please Kiev or Islamabad. But, on the other hand, this does not mean that no increase in trade turnover is possible in the future. On the contrary, military cooperation is not the only subject on which detailed discussions between the partners can focus. Moreover, civilian and hi-tech cooperation is becoming increasingly important because it does not irritate another Ukrainian partner, India.
As for non-military projects, Pakistani ambassador to Ukraine Shamoon Alam Khan believes that while both sides have so far focused on developing military ties, it is necessary to diversify cooperation by adding science and technology, education and culture. The Pakistani ambassador has recently spoken in favour of Ukrainian participation in a tender to construct a railway in Pakistan. Ukraine could supply Pakistan with carriages and rails, and a 0.5bn-dollar tender will be announced this year. Pakistan is also developing its space programme. Kiev's participation in both the construction of satellites and their launches could be intensified. But still, military cooperation has to play a key role in cooperation between the two countries. Pakistani officials confirm that their country's arms market has not been saturated yet. Pakistan is becoming more solvent and the situation in the region has induced Islamabad to increase its military muscle.
Indeed, the military and technical cooperation policy between Ukraine and Pakistan can not be considered an absolute success for several reasons. The head of the state commission for the military-industrial complex, Volodymyr Horbulin, believes that any changes in the policy's implementation will negatively affect a number of Ukrainian defence-industry companies. He believes that the lack of coordination between Ukrainian structures and companies implementing military and technical projects in Pakistan can damage Ukrainian-Pakistani military trade cooperation no matter what actions Ukraine takes on the Indian market of military and dual-purpose goods.
Lastly, comparing Ukraine's prospects on the Pakistani and Indian markets, the mere fact that the survival of Ukraine's tank-building industry is in question speaks in favour of Pakistan. For those who link the prospects of working in India to closer ties with Russia, the head of the Russian Defence Ministry's main directorate for motorized, armoured and tank forces, [Col-]Gen Sergey Mayev, said twice during his visits to Kiev last year that Russian armoured vehicle and tank manufacturers will work independently [of Ukraine] in India. Friends are all right as long as they do not interfere with your business, and there are enough of those in need in Russia.
According to experts from the centre for army, conversion and disarmament research, there is no threat to Ukraine as an armoured vehicle and tank supplier to Pakistan yet. But there is a threat that Ukraine will not be able to engage in the lucrative naval cooperation. Although commander-in-chief of the Pakistani navy Adm Abdul Aziz Mirza said at an April 2001 meeting in Sevastopol with Ukrainian counterpart Mykhaylo Yezhel that "Ukraine's navy produces and uses up-to-date equipment and arms which Pakistan could add to its armoury", the visit of a Pakistani naval delegation, which was due to take place in January or February, was postponed. Although Pakistan says officially that the meeting was only postponed, experts do not rule out it may prefer a different partner, France or the USA, for instance.
We remind our readers that the Clinton administration recalled eight US frigates of the Garcia and Brooke types, which had been leased out to Pakistan in 1989. It was after Washington had made this decision that Islamabad engaged in active negotiations with China and started eyeing Ukrainian naval equipment with increased interest. At the same time, many specialists are sure that even if Pakistan chooses China as its naval supplier, there would still be some work to do for Ukrainian ship-builders. For surface ships of the frigate type have never before been built at a Pakistani shipyard, and Ukrainian specialists could offer the Pakistanis a lot of help in this. It is not excluded that it was in this context that Ukrainian-Chinese naval negotiations intensified. With the help provided by Chinese specialists, three high-speed missile cutters have already been built at a Pakistani shipyard. Meanwhile, Ukraine is highly experienced in this field after the works it carried out in Vietnam. It is worth pointing out here the potential of the Feodosiya-based More [Sea] plant, which the Chinese are interested in. Lastly, designers of war ships from Mykolayiv are ready to offer a design for an up-to-date frigate to Pakistan. Therefore, it is not excluded that Kuchma's visit, although it is not directly connected with military trade cooperation, could have an impact in this area.
As for armoured hardware, Ukraine has a stronger position here. Because of the military campaign in Afghanistan, however, there were drawbacks, if not problems, with setting up a service network for T-80UD [tanks]. On the other hand, according to Russian sources, Ukraine and Pakistan are preparing to sign two tank contracts. One is on the supply of units and parts to Pakistani Al-Khalid tanks, the other is on an upgrade of old T-59 tanks used by the Pakistani armed forces. Under the first deal, the [Kharkiv-based] Malyshev plant will supply engines and gearboxes for the Al-Khalids for three years. Assisted by China, Pakistan has been working on the creation of the Al-Khalid since 1988. When engine problems arose, it was Ukraine which solved the problem of adapting the engine to deserts. Last year, the [Pakistani] Heavy Industries Taxila company produced the first 15 tanks of this type, which were equipped with Ukrainian diesel engines.
Under the second contract, the Ukrainians will provide assistance in the upgrade of T-59 tanks, which Pakistan produced with China's help. Tanks of this type were once assembled in the People's Republic of China on the basis of the Russian T-55 tank. Pakistan's ground forces are equipped with a total of 1,300 of these tanks. Several hundred of them will be upgraded in 2002-2003 during the first stage of the programme.
In short, there is a lot of potential. "Delay may mean death" seems to be the motto now, as Kiev is intent on keeping its presence on the Pakistani market. There is hope that the Ukrainian president's upcoming visit to Pakistan will strengthen military cooperation between the two states as well as diversify it with a wide range of bilateral ties.
Excerpt translated by BBC Monitoring © BBC.
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