Russia helps China build new aircraft carrier

[yasin_khan]

Russia, India and China will be building aircraft carriers for their navies almost simultaneously over the next five years or so, using many of the same design concepts, technologies and equipment. This is unprecedented in the history of shipbuilding.
The three countries currently are enjoying healthy political relations, smoothing the way for Russia's continued military cooperation with both China and India with regard to aircraft carrier technologies.
The news that China is about to start building its aircraft carrier is no secret in either Russia or Ukraine. Multiple authoritative sources from the Russian shipbuilding industry have confirmed in recent interviews with the author that China has candidly informed Russia of its intentions. After all, the technology and subsystems for China's aircraft carrier are largely from Russia.
As reported previously, systems such as arresting equipment for aircraft landings have been imported from Russia. A Russian shipbuilding industry source also has confirmed that China's first aircraft carrier will use the Russian ski-jump deck.
"This is a Russian invention, but it has been accepted by both India and China," said the source.

India launched its aircraft carrier construction project about one year ago. It also incorporates the Russian ski-jump deck design for aircraft takeoffs and uses steel plates imported from Russia. It will also use Russian MiG-29K shipborne fighters.
At the same time, Russia has an ambitious plan to build new aircraft carriers for its own navy. The commander in chief of the Russian navy, Adm. Vladimir Masorin, declared in 2007 that the navy would need at least three aircraft carriers before 2020 and that Russia would build nuclear-powered carriers.
The design of the new aircraft carriers is currently under way at the Russian Nevskoye Design Bureau. The designs for this project are expected to be completed by 2010 and the first carrier should be finished around 2016-2017 -- a date that coincides with China's plan to build its first aircraft carrier.
The chief designer at this facility told UPI in an interview that China had not asked for assistance in designing its aircraft carrier, however.
Russia's aircraft carrier construction program is not yet officially listed in the 2005-2015 national defense equipment development agenda. Moreover, the issue of using a nuclear-powered propulsion system is controversial within the Russian navy. It seems no final decision has been made as to what propulsion system will be fitted on the new carriers.
Despite similar timeframes and shared technologies, there are several major differences between the aircraft carrier construction plans of Russia and China.
First, the Russian navy has had 35 years of experience with aircraft carriers, including the technologies and experience of building the Ulyanovsk-class nuclear-powered aircraft carrier -- even though this project was never completed, having been abandoned at the end of the Cold War. The Chinese navy has no such experience.
Second, Russia has a full toolbox of production technologies, while the People's Liberation Army navy has to search around to acquire these technologies. Third, and most important, the Russian navy fleets have practical experience with aircraft carriers, while the PLA navy has had to start from zero -- including the building of large surface warships and strategic nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines.




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[yasin_khan]

Russia badly needs aircraft carriers especially in its northren fleet.

China wants to become a Blue water Ocean going navy.

But India cant afford such projections.

Is it a new arms race.

 

[tphuang]

yeah, this is just another article by Andrei Pinkov trying to link China to Russia somehow. I think at the moment, putting China's program together with Russia is a little too far of a stretch. It doesn't even seem like China is asking Russia for any help.

 

[Feanor]

Russia badly needs aircraft carriers especially in its northren fleet.

China wants to become a Blue water Ocean going navy.

But India cant afford such projections.

Why do you say that India can't afford it?

As for Chinese carriers, I did read on DID that there was a Chinese inquiry into potential Su-33 purchase back in 2006. Though I've heard that China also has it's own navalized Flanker program running.

 

[yasin_khan]

Why do you say that India can't afford it?

As for Chinese carriers, I did read on DID that there was a Chinese inquiry into potential Su-33 purchase back in 2006. Though I've heard that China also has it's own navalized Flanker program running.

Indian economy is going well but is not steady.In next few years it will be hit by worst food shortage in which China and Pakistan will also be with her.
China is also making naval version of J-10 and i have also read in sino defense forum that China is keen for Su-33.

 

[Feanor]

Indian economy is going well but is not steady.In next few years it will be hit by worst food shortage in which China and Pakistan will also be with her.

So India and China will BOTH have a food shortage. Yet, China CAN afford aircraft carriers (but doesn't have any yet) and India (who already operates one, and has two more underway right now) CAN'T?! You're making very little sense.

 

[yasin_khan]

You cant compare India with China.
China Millitary budget is much more then India.Power projection of Chinese armed forces is much greater then India.
China is almost self suficient in defense requirements and India still very behind.

 

[ASFC]

China Millitary budget is much more then India.

Yes, and?? There are plenty of European countries with smaller Defence budgets than either India of China that have better power projection capabilities than China has at the moment. Spending large amounts of money does not give you results if you do not spend it wisely.

Power projection of Chinese armed forces is much greater then India.

No it isn't. And I would state Chinas lack of an Aircraft Carrier as a major deficiency in its power projection capabilities.

China is almost self suficient in defense requirements and India still very behind.

Self sufficient does not always equal better equipment and this is where India trumps China, because unlike China, India can scour the worlds Defence markets for the best available equipment for their needs.

You need to provide evidence for your claims, because it just looks like country bashing for the sake off from where I am standing.

 

[yasin_khan]

You need quality with quantity.If you dont have such quantity then you cant do any thing.

 

[kev 99]

Russia invented the Ski jimp?

 

[Salty Dog]

So India and China will BOTH have a food shortage. Yet, China CAN afford aircraft carriers (but doesn't have any yet) and India (who already operates one, and has two more underway right now) CAN'T?! You're making very little sense.

I suppose you meant "on the way" vice "underway".

Cheers!

 

[hellfire]

Indian economy is going well but is not steady.In next few years it will be hit by worst food shortage in which China and Pakistan will also be with her.
China is also making naval version of J-10 and i have also read in sino defense forum that China is keen for Su-33.

well if u compare the 2 economies its the chinese that will suffer more in this global economy crisis,since china is all about manufacturing,now when western people have no cash or are unwilling to spend,then majority of chinese people will loose their jobs,already many companies are laying off workers if u had seen a documentry in BBC u will know what i am talking about.on the other hand india is different they are mostly R&D,support etc.
in india there is very little layoffs,on the long run chinese economy will suffer a lot compared to india.many US companies products are made in china ,but the R&D is done in US.which is why even in the long run china can never tople the US as the no1 super power.unless chinese start their own R&D.

as far as military budget lets not forget china is a bigger country in terms of population and area so they need more numbers to protect its huge area,india which is about 1/3rd the size of china in terms of area have a reasonably good navy.

 

[yasin_khan]

well if u compare the 2 economies its the chinese that will suffer more in this global economy crisis,since china is all about manufacturing,now when western people have no cash or are unwilling to spend,then majority of chinese people will loose their jobs,already many companies are laying off workers if u had seen a documentry in BBC u will know what i am talking about.on the other hand india is different they are mostly R&D,support etc.
in india there is very little layoffs,on the long run chinese economy will suffer a lot compared to india.many US companies products are made in china ,but the R&D is done in US.which is why even in the long run china can never tople the US as the no1 super power.unless chinese start their own R&D.

India is far behind in R&D as compare to China.China is developing missiles,aircrafts,electronic weapons, radars etc what is India is doing working on LCA for last 30 years and still testing.Indian armed forces are totally dependent on western countries.

 

[yasin_khan]

as far as military budget lets not forget china is a bigger country in terms of population and area so they need more numbers to protect its huge area,india which is about 1/3rd the size of china in terms of area have a reasonably good navy.

China is bigger country but India and China have almost equal no of population so they got equal no man power for both military and civil use.

 

[yasin_khan]

Russia invented the Ski jimp?

I think ski jump was invented by Britishers.

 

[hellfire]

India is far behind in R&D as compare to China.China is developing missiles,aircrafts,electronic weapons, radars etc what is India is doing working on LCA for last 30 years and still testing.Indian armed forces are totally dependent on western countries.

well the reply was to the offtopic of economy of india and china,R&D in general I.T,science etc.
well india still is doing its R&D unlike many of its neighbours who just usualy reverse engineer or a copy as stated in articles in ausairpower.net.

 

[nevidimka]

There may not be much finished hardware coming out from Indian R&D for now, but there is a a huge and diverse area of capability which India is doing its R&D. you will only get to see the fruits of it in the coming years.

And on regards to military spending, I remember from a stat that India is spending 1.9% of its GDP on Military spending, much lower than the global Average of 3% GDP. So India still is capable of increasing its defence spending and still be within the average, while God knows how much the Chinese are pouring into the Defence spending.

 

[Feanor]

I suppose you meant "on the way" vice "underway".

Cheers!

Yes, thanks.

You cant compare India with China.
China Millitary budget is much more then India.Power projection of Chinese armed forces is much greater then India.

This is wrong. Do you understand the concept of force projection and what it implies? It implies being able to handle deployments far away from your own territory. Aircraft carriers are in large part a tool of force projection. Even light carriers like what India is getting still provide limited strike, and organic air defense capabilities. China has nothing of the sort.

China is almost self suficient in defense requirements and India still very behind.

That has no direct relationship to force projection capabilities.

 

[Type59]

well the reply was to the offtopic of economy of india and china,R&D in general I.T,science etc.
well india still is doing its R&D unlike many of its neighbours who just usualy reverse engineer or a copy as stated in articles in ausairpower.net.

Japanese and South Korean products, early on were usually knock offs. They copied western cars, once they had mastered manufacturing of these copies they then started to design and build own models. China is doing the same thing. If you read reports on its shipbuilding industry you will be informed about the huge amounts they spend on R&D. Now they are designing and building own ships, copying only gets you so far.

Sticking to stereotypes like "India innovates" and "China copies" are not rounded in reality. Its more complicated then that.

 

[Type59]

Yes, thanks.



This is wrong. Do you understand the concept of force projection and what it implies? It implies being able to handle deployments far away from your own territory. Aircraft carriers are in large part a tool of force projection. Even light carriers like what India is getting still provide limited strike, and organic air defense capabilities. China has nothing of the sort.



That has no direct relationship to force projection capabilities.

Why field a carrier when you lack assets to defend it? China has done the right thing in developing, deploying and improving surface and submarine assets before committing to a carrier which can be a liability if not protected properly..