This is a discussion on Iran and Related Geopolitical Defense Issues within the Geo-Strategic Defense forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Iran’s navy will hold 10 days of maneuvers east of the Strait of Hormuz, state-run Fars ...
Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Iran’s navy will hold 10 days of maneuvers east of the Strait of Hormuz, state-run Fars news agency reported, citing Navy Commander Habibollah Sayari.
The exercise will start Dec. 24 and cover a distance of 2,000 kilometers (1,240 miles), the news agency reported today on its website. State-run Press TV reported the maneuvers would extend east as far as the Indian Ocean. About 15.5 million barrels of oil a day, about a sixth of global consumption, flows through the waterway between Iran and Oman at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, according to the U.S. Department of Energy
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OK. Thanks. I have not been here for several years.
What I sort of wonder is if the recent transfer of a carrier group through the Suez canal has drawn down the normal US navel presence in the Persian Gulf area?
What I sort of wonder is if the recent transfer of a carrier group through the Suez canal has drawn down the normal US navel presence in the Persian Gulf area?
There is a regular rotation of CVNs. Presumably as one returned to the US, another replaced it.
The Iranians are at it again they really try to appear like a strong navy. I will give the Iranian this they have alot of heart. The Iranian Navy is really weak and they know it. The sauction has really hurt the Iranian. At least they are training with what they have I give them respect for that.
I will give the Iranian this they have alot of heart.
They live in a dangerous neighbourhood - on their western flank they face a number of Arab sunni states that have aligned themselves with Uncle Sam and have been at odds with the Iranians for centuries, there is a nuclear armed Israel with receives unconditional U.S. support, there are western troops in Afghanistan which borders Iran, they have to watch out for the interests of their shiite brethren in Iraq, Iran's main ally, Syria, is facing huge problems - what choice do they have?
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The sauction has really hurt the Iranian.
It remains to be seen if sanctions are really hurting Iran. Remember the U.S. led sanctions on Iraq? It had a devastating effect on normal Iraqis, with tragic consequences for thousands of kids, but had absolutely no effect on the leadership and Saddam's inner circle. Iran's importance to regional affairs, its oil and its strategic location, mean that countries, under the present circumstances, will never completely cut all business ties with it.
The Iranians are at it again they really try to appear like a strong navy. I will give the Iranian this they have alot of heart. The Iranian Navy is really weak and they know it. The sauction has really hurt the Iranian. At least they are training with what they have I give them respect for that.
I read that they have a large number of high speed light craft (outboard motor type?) each capable of launching high speed modern missiles. I guess their tactic would be to hit the enemy with swarm or saturation attack in the absence of any large scale modern attack vessels. I guess it's hard to actually tell how effective this strategy would be and how easy it would be to defend against. I would imagine a few Apache's would be needed rather than anti-ship missiles?
I read that they have a large number of high speed light craft (outboard motor type?) each capable of launching high speed modern missiles. I guess their tactic would be to hit the enemy with swarm or saturation attack in the absence of any large scale modern attack vessels. I guess it's hard to actually tell how effective this strategy would be and how easy it would be to defend against. I would imagine a few Apache's would be needed rather than anti-ship missiles?
The best defense is a good offense. They won't be maneuvering moored by the pier.
When it comes the military area this is where the sanctions hurt them. The Iranian has oil money but cannot purchase modern naval equipment that what I mean the sanction are hurting them. No one sell them modern equipment. The Iraqi didn't get to much modern military when they were hit by sanctions so in a the military business that where it hurt the most. Overall that where their getting hammered at I know overall in the oil business it that not going to hurt them and the overall head of state the Iman or Guardian of the Revoluntion.
When it comes the military area this is where the sanctions hurt them. The Iranian has oil money but cannot purchase modern naval equipment that what I mean the sanction are hurting them. No one sell them modern equipment. The Iraqi didn't get to much modern military when they were hit by sanctions so in a the military business that where it hurt the most. Overall that where their getting hammered at I know overall in the oil business it that not going to hurt them and the overall head of state the Iman or Guardian of the Revoluntion.
I agree in an all out fight, the Iranian's should get a complete hammering, but they seem cleverer than to get drawn into that type of scenario. There are many variables here: complete lack of appetite in the West for another ground war and long commitment, the geography suits the Iranian’s who must have a good chance of closing the straits and denying the Gulf to western naval forces. I doubt NATO wants to antagonise them into making our exit of Afghanistan more uncomfortable than it is already, (this is a political and economic necessity for the US & Europe). Yes they have had military sanctions, but how effective are they and money greases many palms. They have a growing internal defence industry, how good are their air defences? How did they bring down that RQ-170 Sentinel? Arab support...they would like us to get rid of the problem behind closed doors, but are all to fearful of being seen to support the West in public....lukewarm allies.
I read that they have a large number of high speed light craft (outboard motor type?) each capable of launching high speed modern missiles. I guess their tactic would be to hit the enemy with swarm or saturation attack in the absence of any large scale modern attack vessels. I guess it's hard to actually tell how effective this strategy would be and how easy it would be to defend against. I would imagine a few Apache's would be needed rather than anti-ship missiles?
Most of Irans FACMs are arme with MLRS instead of guided missiles, so not very effective in my opinion.
Swarm tactics against an opposition like the USN will never work, their tiny boats will be blown up by USN air craft and the few that do manage to survive the air onslaught will be cut down by the main gun of USN ships.
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Most of Irans FACMs are arme with MLRS instead of guided missiles, so not very effective in my opinion.
Swarm tactics against an opposition like the USN will never work, their tiny boats will be blown up by USN air craft and the few that do manage to survive the air onslaught will be cut down by the main gun of USN ships.
There is something else for the West be wary of if at all they are considering an Iranian strike. China's influence in the region is growing and very quickly. Closer alliances with Pakistan and now an oil deal with Afghanistan:
A precedent appears to being set which is that when a nation perceives that it has had a raw deal from the US or Nato, China's commercial machine walks right in the back door. How long before China installs military equipment in the middle east under the pretence of protect their commercial interests?
The real war is going to be Chinese commercial and then military expansion in the region; as China insidiously benefits from tensions between the Middle East and the West.
There is something else for the West be wary of if at all they are considering an Iranian strike. China's influence in the region is growing and very quickly. Closer alliances with Pakistan and now an oil deal with Afghanistan:
A precedent appears to being set which is that when a nation perceives that it has had a raw deal from the US or Nato, China's commercial machine walks right in the back door. How long before China installs military equipment in the middle east under the pretence of protect their commercial interests?
The real war is going to be Chinese commercial and then military expansion in the region; as China insidiously benefits from tensions between the Middle East and the West.
If the US wants to destroy the Iranian navy, what can China possibly do?
Take out a new air craft carrier from its magical hat and send it there.
China is a huge power yes, but it is not a super power yet, there influence might be growing in the Mid-east but they are no where near the level of US influence there.
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