Waylander!!!

old faithful

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How un-proffesional is that? Are they reserves? I might have expected a target indication and some rates of fire from the NCO, but is Muther-f--ker a target indication? Hope that was just a "yippie" shoot!
 

rickshaw

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I can't follow the German but it appears to be an instructional shoot on the MG3. The use of the term "motherfucker" appears to be a means of counting the number of rounds fired with each pull of the trigger. There appears to be little in the way of Fire Control Orders being issued, as to target indication, range and type of fire to be undertaken. Perhaps a German speaker can tell us what they are saying?
 

Pathfinder-X

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I laughed at little when they kept yelling "motherfucker" near the end. Funny phrase for machinegun fire control.

It's one of those words they teach you to repeat in your head when shooting a MG. The instructor at Chilliwack taught us to squeeze the trigger, count to two, then release the trigger when firing the C6. I've heard in U.S. they teach you to repeat the phrase "son of a bitch" instead.

I don't know German so I can't understand what they're saying. But from my point of view, I think the story is blown way out of proportion.
 

Waylander

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Ah, this lovely little video finally also appeared here.

This is just a plain dumb dickhead of an instructor trying to be funny while doing some MG3 stuff.
This is not how fire control orders work. Better to say nothing in this video is right. Investigations against the instructor are done.

I hope this idiot is kicked out immediately. :mad:

For sure everybody with military experience here has experiences with some real idiots in his army and this is a perfect example for a german idiot.

It is not supposed to happen but you cannot totally rule out that such things happen.

Fun is an important part of military life but this here is not fun anymore.
It's a shame...
 

Pathfinder-X

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Ah, this lovely little video finally also appeared here.

This is just a plain dumb dickhead of an instructor trying to be funny while doing some MG3 stuff.
This is not how fire control orders work. Better to say nothing in this video is right. Investigations against the instructor are done.

I hope this idiot is kicked out immediately. :mad:

For sure everybody with military experience here has experiences with some real idiots in his army and this is a perfect example for a german idiot.

It is not supposed to happen but you cannot totally rule out that such things happen.

Fun is an important part of military life but this here is not fun anymore.
It's a shame...
However unprofessional the instructor maybe, Am I the only one who finds it slightly funny?

I guess it's more of a sensitive issue with the German army due to their past history, but these things happen all the time. Nobody made a huge issue when my section leader occasionally called me chinky, in a joking manner of course.
 

old faithful

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Yeah pathfinder! i thought it was funny to! I remember an NCO giving a Greek guy 50 push ups "for racial impurity!". He was an instructer to. A skin head,who although an excellent soldier,and i mean excellent,was hampered in his career for his political beliefs. One of those guys that pass SAS selection only to be rejected....
And while some may find it usefull to use a phrase to count rounds, i think most blokes can work out how to fire 3 - 5 round bursts without catchy little phrases. As to the rest of the senareo givin by the NCO...yeah,well maybe he should have thought about some other enemy than a van full of Negro homies from the states!Read the comments below the video...
 

Waylander

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For sure it was meant as a joke. And it may have been funny during this time. But filming it is so dump. And you can make a lot of other jokes during gun training than talking about afro-americans.
 

Big-E

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What boggles my mind is when soldiers take photos and videos of this crap. From Abu Grhaib to the German Army these dumbasses need to learn to turn the camera OFF! Nobody would care what one dumb German NCO was spouting in training if no footage existed. The Iraqi insurgenecy wouldn't be as bad if the stupid couple hadn't used a camera. Perhaps cameras/camcorders should be confiscated from soldiers to prevent such insidences in the future? They obviously don't have the common sense to know when something is going to cause an international incident. I know that racism persists in all branches of the military, most of the US armed forces come from the Deep South so your bound to get an idiot or two. Germany has a few skinheads in her ranks... no nation is immune. There will always be racism and abuses, do we have to advertise it? :unknown
 

eckherl

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Yeah pathfinder! i thought it was funny to! I remember an NCO giving a Greek guy 50 push ups "for racial impurity!". He was an instructer to. A skin head,who although an excellent soldier,and i mean excellent,was hampered in his career for his political beliefs. One of those guys that pass SAS selection only to be rejected....
And while some may find it usefull to use a phrase to count rounds, i think most blokes can work out how to fire 3 - 5 round bursts without catchy little phrases. As to the rest of the senareo givin by the NCO...yeah,well maybe he should have thought about some other enemy than a van full of Negro homies from the states!Read the comments below the video...
Do they not use tracers for round counts anymore, this always has worked for me when training tankers to fire their coax or loader mount on tanks.
 

old faithful

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yeah,they use tracer,1 in 5 is tracer...just not visible in blanks!:p: Just the same, its not hard to squeez3e of 5 rd bursts,just by feel. Its kinda like knowing how far to turn the steering wheel,when cornering in your car...
 

eckherl

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yeah,they use tracer,1 in 5 is tracer...just not visible in blanks!:p: Just the same, its not hard to squeez3e of 5 rd bursts,just by feel. Its kinda like knowing how far to turn the steering wheel,when cornering in your car...
Ha Ha - I couldn`t bring up the video so I did not realize it was blanks.
 

Tasman

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What boggles my mind is when soldiers take photos and videos of this crap. From Abu Grhaib to the German Army these dumbasses need to learn to turn the camera OFF! Nobody would care what one dumb German NCO was spouting in training if no footage existed. The Iraqi insurgenecy wouldn't be as bad if the stupid couple hadn't used a camera. Perhaps cameras/camcorders should be confiscated from soldiers to prevent such insidences in the future? They obviously don't have the common sense to know when something is going to cause an international incident. I know that racism persists in all branches of the military, most of the US armed forces come from the Deep South so your bound to get an idiot or two. Germany has a few skinheads in her ranks... no nation is immune. There will always be racism and abuses, do we have to advertise it? :unknown
There is absolutely no doubt that tremendous PR damage has been caused by photographs or videos that were probably taken as a joke but were somehow released into the public domain. Rightly or wrongly soldiers in the heat of battle, or even in the intensity of exercises and general training, will do or say inappropriate and politically incorrect things. I can live with that reality but let's not record it so that it ends up in the hands of a media that always seems to be on the lookout for ways to embarrass the military.

Cheers
 

martitrmartitr

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The video in itself isn't that bad, just some idiots playing about,
but in the beginning when he forgets to put the belt in, thats embarrassing :)
 

Waylander

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Not to talk of him wanting to put his hand onto were the cartridges come out.
That's not that healthy... ;) :D
 

Tasman

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The video in itself isn't that bad, just some idiots playing about,
but in the beginning when he forgets to put the belt in, thats embarrassing :)
They certainly don't make quite the same impression as the old Wehrmacht of 1939! :D

Cheers
 

Waylander

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You have not seen all the freaky photos taken by Wehrmacht members during the war haven't you? ;) :D
 

Waylander

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With freaky I don't mean the ugly and embarassing ones taken while doing war criminals if this is the reason for the :rolleyes: smilie.

I mean the ones like running naked through Paris, painting colored slogans and jokes onto horses, showing the naked asses of a whole company into the camera, etc.
 
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