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NZDF General discussion thread
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Todjaeger
Potstirrer
The NZ Army could possibly try using trashfire, and/or take the Mistral MANPADS out of whatever dusty corner of the armoury they were stuck in...
We will just ignore the fact that there would likely be very little Kiwi Situational Awareness to provide any sort of advanced notice that something was inbound...
Mk 1 eyeball.
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
Hence the comment "advanced notice" keeping in mind that a high subsonic cruise missile can likely cover a kilometer in 3-4 seconds. Assuming a set of Mk I's were looking in the right direction, at the right time, and was actually able to see an inbound missile 36 km away, that would still only provide ~129 seconds to react...
Catalina
Member
So if hypothetical a submarine, surface warship, or long range patrol aircraft launched cruise missiles at say Devonport Naval Base, Whenupai, the Auckland Harbour bridge or the like, our nation is completely defenceless, bar our two frigates?
Yep and both our frigates are on the hard in Halifax, Canada at the moment in bits. So we have no air defence capabilities apart from Mk 1 eyeball operated guns with the largest being the 25 mm cannon on Canterbury, the 2 OPVs & NZLAV, plus the Mistral MANPADS that are stored in the dim dark depths of some NZDF warehouse.
Very pitiful isn't it?
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
Actuallly, the way I read the current situation is that a foreign vessel armed with a 57 mm gun could sail up towards DNB and shell the place and there would be little that the NZDF could do about it apart from possibly sortieing a SH-2 Seasprite which might be armed with Penguin AShM.
Not a good situation, especially for a nation as dependent on maritime SLOC as NZ is.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I thought the upgrade work on the NZ frigates was being done in Victoria BC at the SeaSpan yard, not NS.
More likely and potentially more worrying is the threat vignette from a EA-03 electronic warfare drone. Think of a EA focused high-altitude, long-endurance Global Hawk clone with a range of 7,000km and a maximum endurance of 36 hours, equipped with electronic interference and jamming systems as well as a signals intelligence role. One report suggested its GPS interference pods could be used on devices up to 400km away.
The capability set to counter this is of course was deemed unnecessary 18 years ago and an article of faith has developed amongst Joe Public and his elected masters that this capability will never be required.
Don't worry about old NG. He has a geography degree from Canterbury University who only have one map - that of the South island.
Redlands18
Well-Known Member
Ring Canberra
Novascotiaboy
Active Member
Ngati must have had a few wobbly pops to state the frigates were in Halifax. lol
Hmm, thought it was Halifax. I stand corrected. Mea culpa.
Of course, since it's the only land mass of any consequence because it's home to the might Crusaders, Bluff oysters, the nectar of the gods - Speights and South Islanders. What more could you want?Don't worry about old NG. He has a geography degree from Canterbury University who only have one map - that of the South island.
Don't drink that rubbish. Speights beer, navy rum or artillery port.
Catalina
Member
The problem is that a Seasprite only carries 2 Penguins. Any modern Chinese warship with the range to sortie from a forward base in the South Pacific can easily shoot down two incoming missiles. Its highly debatable as to whether a Seasprite would be able to launch before itself being shot down...
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Catalina
Member
Its likely that we would find the line busy as Canberra struggles with her own concerns...
As the Japan Times reported on the recent visit of three Chinese warships to Sydney...
"Australians enjoying a sunny winter morning were surprised by the sight of three Chinese warships steaming into to Sydney Harbour Monday, forcing the prime minister to reassure jittery residents."
Source of photo above: Secrecy Fears As Chinese Warships Sail into Sydney Harbor
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A more accurate article would have read "ABC and News Ltd furious they weren't asked if Chinese ships could visit"
oldsig
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
Hmm... let us not give people ideas, okay? I would rather rain on someone's parade than be hit with HALE...
Catalina
Member
Hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!
There is to be a baseline review of spending for Defence. No details have been released apparently it maybe part of the reform of the Public Finance Act (1989).
I do not think that this will do Defence any good.